Napoleon Bonaparte

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[MaxRWF]

@ToaJoe I'm not saying N. was an angel, I'm just saying, he was a "dictator" in the antic way : a legitimate ruler appointed in times of emergency. Wellington was an aristocratic oligarch with contempt for his own soldiers, not a democrat. You're the retard : comparing N. with people which massacred a whole people or ripped women... You're ridiculous, you're just full of British nationalist propaganda. Wake up ! Read a book ! N. fought for liberty, not for the privileges of few, like Wellington.

[rylege]

The British bank-rolled every coalition against France! They incited at every turn for the Allies to break treaties. The British themselves broke the treaty of Amiens forcing Napoleons hands once again to war. The bloodshed of the Napoleonic wars can mostly be laid at the feet of the British! Napoleon was trying to keep the Royal Familes of Europe from forcing a Government upon the French that they did not want!

[TheCazinbih]

Well, sure,he was a dictator, and that is not democratically elected but he has become what you suckers never could become, a ruler of the France.

[uafchris]

@MaxRWF Oh come off it. Napoleon seized power, he was never elected. Wellington didn't let his men pillage, he had extremely tough discipline and refused to let his men live of the land. Badajoz was a one off because he couldn't control them in the confusion. Napoleon let his men pillage all of Spain and Portugal, which was one of the reasons why the rebelled and invited the British in for help. Also Colonial expansion? What about Napoleon in Egypt? Or the War of Independence in Haiti?

[MaxRWF]

@uafchris Wellington was a pompous nawab who was elected by oligarchs representing less than 1% of the British population. Napoleon coronation was approved through a universal plebiscite. Something your aristocracy will forbid until 1919! Wellington let his men pillage the Spanish town of Badajoz. Your oligarchy bribed Europe to fight the French revolutionnary ideals (which were threatening its interests) and to secure its own greedy colonial expansionism. Tyrants are not where you think!

[uafchris]

@MaxRWF Wellington greatly respected his own men, and always went out of his way to attend to their needs. His "contept" was the result of one quote taken massively out of context. He became the elected (unlike Napoleon) leader of his country, successfully campaigned for the french government to abolish the slave trade (something Napoleon never did) and introduced catholic emancipation. Napoleon was just a glory seeking tyrant who raped and pillaged half of Europe to feed his ego.

[Hoekell]

The only real invasion Napoleon ever planned, but never got to carry out was the invasion of Britain and his reason for this was, as others have already stated, because Britain would simply not leave him alone. They'd incite and bribe other contries into declaring war on France, break their treaties with France. The reason Napoleon took Venice for example was because Austria declared war on him, even though following their last war with him he had let them keep Venice and Illyria.

[Makashi11]

@MaxRWF You are truly the one who needs to read more. Long live the British Empire! Long live the Queen!

[MaxRWF]

@Makashi11 Human rights are universal by nature, they are aimed at the whole mankind, unlike the Bill of right, by example, which is just valid for a single nation.The conquests of the French republic are the result of the defeat of the powers which attacked France in the first place, not because France wanted Moscow or Shangai to be a French city, don't be ludicrous! So blame the european tyrants for war! BTW,Italian patriots were very pleased to have their own State instead of being Austrian

[Makashi11]

@MaxRWF By 'universal' you really mean 'internationalist'; and by 'internationalist', you really mean conquering the known world until the ideals YOU favour are spread across the globe. Is it any wonder the Coalitions intervened? And anyhow - post-revolutionary France had proved itself an aggressive foreign power. Napoleon himself led aggressive invasions of Italy and Venice - again, how can you blame the Coalition powers for pre-empting Napoleon's France before the demi-god got them too?

[MaxRWF]

@Makashi11 You're confusing everything: France fell into terror because it was attacked by all sides. It's not because there was terror in France that the nice little surrounding tyrannies decided to interveine. When England killed its king, nobody gave a fuck. But when France did, the entire continent attacked the new republic. The reason why European monarchies were so virulent against the French Revolution was because its ideals were universal and scared those tyrants.

[Makashi11]

@MaxRWF It is now clear that you are the one who needs to do a bit of reading. The outcome of the French Revolution, like Cromwell's England, like Stalin's Russia, like Gaddafi's Libya, was a spuring of the ideals on which the uprising were based and a creation of a far greater tyranny than had existed under Monarchy. This is symbolised in Napoleon going from First Consul to outright Emperor. Napoleon should have made clear he would not meddle in other countries' affairs. Otherwise? War.