Response to Ian Juby's "Fossils Galore" Part 4/6

This is a video response to Carl Baugh's television program "Creation in the 21st Century", the two part episode titled "Fossils Galore!" with Canadian Creationist Ian Juby.

Links to part 1:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4iT8QH5JQI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub8fmOhxU4g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NdUaX96_9k

Links to part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDH7hzlBP7g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF2j4pUgplc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai7gY51GHqA

Link to Ian Juby's youtube page: http://www.youtube.com/user/wazooloo
Link to Ian Juby's creation page: http://genesisweek.com/
And his newsletter/blog: http://ianjuby.org/

Link to a video I did some time ago on why chalk is proof of an old Earth (note a contradiction, in my calculation of coccolithophore accumulation in the older video I use a figure of just OVER one millimeter per year while in the current video I use just UNDER 1 mm. To err on the side of caution I will concede the faster depositional rate as I cannot locate my sources and when the original video was made I had more recent access to the papers. Either way, 1, 2, or even 1000 millimeters per year does not help the creationist as these 100+ METER chalk deposits were supposedly made during a year-long global flood): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SKjyThouCU

Good treatment of nautiloid phylogeny, physiology, and evolution: http://www.tonmo.com/science/fossils/nautiloids.php

Wiki page on thalassinid crustaceans with mention of their fossil burrows: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalassinidea
And articles about Baugh's 'fossil finger': http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/giants.htm
http://paleo.cc/paluxy/finger.htm

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Ian
• juby
• creation
• carl
• baugh
• fossils
• dinosaurs
• evolution

[firefly4f4]

For some reason there's no comment section for part 5, so I'll leave this here.

It's interesting that Carl says at the end of this video that he's been trying to years to get a fossil like this, but then in part 5 he says he's been excavating them for years.

So... why doesn't he have one, then, if he's been excavating them for years? Which is it?

[LithodidMan]

@firefly4f4 Yeah, for some reason parts 3 & 5 both had no comment section. I just took them down and am re-uploading in the hope that this will fix it.

And yes, I noticed that. I mean, the guy has dinosaur replicas that cost hundreds, but not a $20-50 ammonite? Plus he is naming a species of ammonite?

[WhirlingWolves]

This is off topic but I love the shirt you're wearing.

It says "Homeland Security" with an old black & white picture of Geronimo and the Apaches yes?

[LithodidMan]

@WhirlingWolves Indeed!

[Cyrathil]

@AndyG792 "[. . .] and just say boy some kook, I'm not going to waste my time on him. :-))"

Since no one has seemed to reply to this, I shall go ahead and say that it might not be that he is on top of what he is saying, it might be that he is so off the top of what he is saying that it's actually funny. Although, even if the entertainment aspect isn't the biggest, Baugh himself might have enough of a following to warrant a rebuttal, despite him not having any actual valid points.

[Cyrathil]

@AndyG792 "Because you can't rebuttal what he says in any intellectual way, that's why."

Did you watch the video? It was mostly that. There may have been a few jokes, but that's because this is supposed to be entertaining.

And if you didn't notice, the "air tank" bit was an actual problem I had with his position. He claims that with a good bit of sediment over the creature, it could thrash about. The problem is the weight above it, the arm would probably be pinned. Enough intellect for you?

[BlowDevilUp]

@AndyG792 Greetings, nice of you to reply. What you are saying may be true to some extent. From my own experience I may have a good reason why. Internet forums like these on youtube are a secondary response and escalation stemming from the primary sources of education (i.e. formal learning environments like classrooms, lecture halls, libraries, laboratories and the like). What you are asking for, takes place in the primary centres of education and also from the discussion in books and journals.

[AndyG792]

@Cyrathil Why can't you guys use logic and thought, instead of put downs? Because you can't rebuttal what he says in any intellectual way, that's why. If you had logical answers other than what's presented, you'd use them. , I'm sure that Ian would welcome constructive criticism and contemplate them to see if anyone has anything to offer. He's being as truthful as possible and you can't see that scientific principals are being employed here instead of conjectures without scientific basis.

[nishbrown]

@AndyG792

Um, talk about not making sense.

Well after checking out your channel, and you subscriptions, I have come to the the conclusion that you are likely, Carl Bough, himself.

What an honor to be trolled by such a moron!

[AndyG792]

@BlowDevilUp Sorry, I did not know you responded back. I didn't know that responses go to gmail. I wondered why they had us make a gmail account at sign up. I don't even use it and have tons of email that I can't get back to. Anyway, in your response back to me you prove my point. All you do is put down and call people names or say they believe in bs.without any intelligent rebuttal, which is a put down with no reason. which is my point. Your response back proves my pt by the same tactic.

[falchion49]

Baugh needs to take a trip to Whitby. You can't move for shops selling ammonites.

[falchion49]

@AndyG792 Unfortunately if he's going to dress as the playtime palaeontologist in a vain attempt to gain credibility, he's going to get laughed at. What happens when he actually opens his mouth is intense hilarity.

[AndyG792]

@nishbrown you need to watch the video again. Dinosaurs would be too big to fit the scenario in this situation.  You need to use a little logic, instead of looking for a place to make a put down that doesn't make sense.

[AndyG792]

@falchion49 She's right, it is such a shame that she would laugh before he even uttered a word. You would think that someone with a scientific mind would ponder any information.