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Uploaded by on Apr 10, 2009

a commentary after phil made me think

which should take precedence, collectivism or freedom?

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  • sadness is over

    community works

    faehnstah

  • or the clear winners are the ones woh realize there is no win at all...the ultimate point of discourse is to be proven wrong, so we can move onto the next mystery...

  • Pwning comes from gaming culture, which also seems to be where most internet political philosophy (and I use the term very loosely) comes from. I've never been a gamer, but I have lived a lot in the real world, as have you. Out here it is much more difficult and complex and clear winners are hard to find.

  • I don't know you personally and I don't want to put words in your mouth or assume more than I know (I hate it when people do that to me). But I suspect you have your own balancing mechanism. Your fulcrum may be much further left than mine, but you come across as rational and humane, which I think enforces a kind of balance. But I could be wrong. People often tell me I am. Peace.

  • As far as a model that measues the relevant factors of societal interaction?

    Tyranny / compulsion / violence vs. freedom / voluntarism / peaceful coexistance.

  • So what do you advocate?

  • I don't much like the right / left model.

    Theft of property by "government" leads to nationalism and heavy handed control to maintain the "cultural values," while the struggle for maintenance of a "national identity" and the desire to "support private enterprize" leads to ever more government force used within the economy, ever more "ownership" being claimed in the name of the collective.

  • Don't wanna move too far left...or we have moa. Maybe a step before...but kind of my point about china...ideas from the far right tug at the human collective conscious as well and we wind up canceling each out...universal order...every action having an equal and opposite reaction. We are creatures of the stuff we are made of...its possible our psyche tends towards this as well....awesome story btw. Thanks for sitting through my rant

  • Interesting stuff man!

    Five Stars!!

  • I was born to express situational ethics. I like that term. Well done batphilo.

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