William Lane Craig vs Theodore Drange (HQ) 6/11

A debate at the University of Illinois between Professors William Lane Craig and Theodore Drange on the question of God's existence

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[theonlyway2truth]

Craig definitely one this debate

[Purushadasa]

Derange asks why God hasn't placed everybody in the world in the position of understanding God's factual existence and the factual existence of the afterlife, but he seems to have forgotten that God has done precisely that.

Only the crackpot atheist, in the extreme minority on these subjects, fails to understand them the way the rest of the world does. The people on this planet are overwhelmingly Theists, and reject atheist dogma pretty much universally.

[REDRAGON12345]

@TheHmmhmm Atheism is absolutely a set of beliefs.

[TheHmmhmm]

@Purushadasa There is no such thing as an "atheist dogma". Atheism is not a set of beliefs... It is a disbelief in god(s) and nothing more.

[aschaevitz]

@theonlyway2truth lololololololololol. you stupid x2. you believe in god and you used one instead of won. stupi'head.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing The main point i really want you theists to understand i know that bibles can be invented by man and by my certainty this thing you discribe as god doesn't acknowlege me so i don't acknowledge it by my self awarness and this standard is the same by animals they don't waste there life looking up when they should be looking forward. Even if we proved a god the bible is still error i would still reject christianity and be a deist.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing If you have to debate it then it doesn't exist and even if William was right he has proven deism not theism anyways we can't access the past but we do know that mass and energy can't be distroyed it just changes thats what produces time so who are we to say that the universe was created maybe it just changes we can't honestly know what happened before the big bang.

[6thwing]

@wachnathan This debate is not about 'explaining' anything. This debate is whether or not God exists. Now, if you agree that:

1) Everything that begins to exists has a cause.

AND

2) The Universe began to exist

Then you logically conclude that The Universe is CAUSED. If you agree that:

3) Things cannot 'cause' itself into being

Then you logically conclude that The Universe is caused by something that is beyond the scope of the universe, something Transcendent. That thing is called God.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing I understand i really do about life it is a mystery yes but saying god did it doesn't explain anything because first we don't know what god is and second we don't see life created from god we see creation through life so we can't observe gods demonstration of creation so then we still don't have proof for a god.

[6thwing]

@wachnathan The Bible isn't made to "prove" God's existence. That is not it's purpose. It presupposes the common sense of mankind, that God does exist. Which is why it says "In the beginning, God" Gen 1:1, not arguing for God's existence. Of course God exists! Psalms 14:1; "The fool says in his own heart, 'There is no God'"

So how does God provide evidence? Through 'that which he created'. read Romans 1:18-23 for better understanding of what I'm saying. I'd post it, but there's the limit.

[wachnathan]

@6thwing I want to be respectful but its hard when it seems like theists don't want to listen to us as if we are wrong for what we think if god wants us to believe he could've done a better job then the bible am sorry!