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Just a question concerning "faith" and logical personality's. Please check out barcodes video response at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxgHhqgrxnc Can faith in it's religious context, be acceptable to intellectual personalities. I ask this because my logic based thinking conflicts with my religious upbringing. I'm not being judgmental but I find it hard for logic and faith to coexist ( in the religious context). Bottom line, is faith illogical?

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[KINGJADEX]

I was brought up religious as well. I was brought up as Mormon or LDS, and as you probably know it's hard to break away from that sect of Christianity. I'm also an INTJ and I had always had my doubts about religion (in general, not just my group) but now I have actually moved on, and it feels great to be free of religion.

[tacoma200]

@KINGJADEX I respect people that think for themselves.

[rosecoloredlenses]

I can see how most "logical" or thinking-based people tend to be atheistic or something similar. Faith defies reason.

The problem is that we as thinkers think we can know, or at least be able to understand, everything. We think we can, but we can't. We have to realize that our brains are finite. Just because we can't logically understand something doesn't mean it's not real.

[tacoma200]

@rosecoloredlenses Hi Rose, I really don't think I can know or understand everything. As humans we are very limited in our understanding. I think the moment we realize that we don't know everything and accept that we become wiser. I make decisions on the best information available to me at that time, always staying open to new information as it becomes available. And I agree with your statement that "Just because we can't logically understand something doesn't mean it's not real".

[signsofhealth]

I’m an INTP and a Christian. I think the problem is that most people’s view of faith differs from what the Bible says it is. (Hebrews 11:1) To believe in something without proof is gullibility. Faith is believing in something you can’t see BECAUSE you have proof. True faith is based on reason.

[tacoma200]

@signsofhealth I respectfully disagree with your definition of faith, especially in the context of religion. There is no proof that God does or doesn't exist. If there were proof there would be no reason for faith. I have read many definitions of faith and they don't seem to match yours. No disrespect intended.

[jaymoney522]

God is not something you can explain with objective reason alone, you need an element of subjective reality to put into place. I think society tries to personify god in many ways to make things comprehendible, but like you said, i also beleive that there is no way we can truly comprehend all the facinating things going on in this universe. If you beleive in being a good person, being humble and actively seek to make the world around you a better place, than you beleive in MY definition of god.

[ajobimlover]

for me, (an infp) the existence of God and his attributes are not revealed through the sensible world or logic alone but mostly through intuition and feeling. It seems the NT has a harder time seeing/ accepting that not all truth is achievable through or based on hard logic. Here you have to let go of your usual methods of examination. It takes some humility. I recognize the Bible as truth because I recognize the moral perfection it conveys, with God, the most perfect Being, as its origin.

[Quintpeterson]

truth beyond wisdom....some things are felt not thought about

[adda241]

INTP here..I have the EXACT same problem.

[slay7even]

Check out Yuttadhammo's channel or search Ask a monk: Faith and understanding.

[dayati]

I'm not a believer, but I get the feeling that the logical Jews, Christians, and Muslims justify their faith on what they feel to be a rational thought process. A lot of times, their "rationalizations" will be based on an incorrect understanding of science or a form of apologetics created to appeal to the logical mind. A lot of pseudo-scientific attempts are made (especially from Muslims) to reconcile science and religion. In general, a lot of cherry picking and intellectual dishonesty helps.