Nietzsche: The Death of God and Ubermensch

A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. ~ Nietzsche

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[ravingdead]

So these Übermensch will decide morality in the place of religion for the masses. Sounds like a religion. Not sure how that is any different from what other religions do.

[ShwaNerd]

Ubermensch should be society as a whole, living and working together to make things better for everyone. Dogma has no place there.

[ravingdead]

Looking at the least religious countries i'm not seeing a moral vacuum. And if you claim that they are ubermensch, I would just say they are people minus religion. Since it appears there is no evidence, I would have to say it's dogma.

[ShwaNerd]

@ravingdead

This concept isn't something that there needs to be "evidence for" its just an umbrella-term that explains how individuals can develop human morality and improve it without the shackles of religion keeping moral progress in the dark ages. The least religious countries are in fact expressing some of those qualities Nietzsche applied to ubermensch, such as resorting to real, practical solutions to issues rather than getting lost in a cloud of religious nonsense.

[Syntheticbrawler]

Disco is dead.

[cappastrano]

Actually, Rand stole and dumbed down Nietzsche for her stuff, so your comparison should be the other way around.

[Scum8ag]

It's so cool how you automaticaly reject everything christian (without aparently knowing much about christian or ancien greek philosophy) and gobble up anything Nietzsche (whom I greatly respect) says. Makes you kinda his bitch don't you think? Anyway, next time, try not to sound like you're commenting latest Linkin Park album when you make 'philosophy' video.

Sorry for errors, not english in not my country's language.

Peace

[Grifir3]

What kind of program do you use to make you look like that? black and white?

[FindingEudaimonia]

"I like it better."

I like believing I can fly because I like that better. I'm going to jump off a cliff real quick...

[MitchellLeary1]

My favorite fictional Nietzsche Superman is Max Cady in the movie Cape Fear. The books on his prison bookshelf speak volumes about things to come. Most viewers don't have a clue. I also loved his picture of Nietzsche in a military uniform with a sword (Nietzsche never did military time, so he must have just done it to look cool). Robert DeNiro plays many Nietzsche Supermen in his movies...Taxi Driver could arguably portray another one.

[CyJoZa]

@bwelkk Very well said, and I agree with Nietzsche on this one.

Egalitarianism is some sort of sick joke.

[godlessyurifan]

@ravingdead Nietzsche didn't predict a moral vaccuum, he predicted people would become mediocre hedonists (ala the Last Men in his book Thus Spake Zarathustra), which describes contemporary culture pretty well. Nietzsche would not have called the masses living in non-religious countries Ubermensch at all - first of all, one really has to look at individuals, not whole societies. But no society is aiming to produce Ubermensch, and it's unlikely any society could withstand attempting to do so.

[godlessyurifan]

@dvy45 The Will to Power is the foundational psychological drive, but it isn't progress - or at least not social or technological progress. Nietzsche saw the "will to truth" as a warped transformation of the will to power (although he didn't necessarily see this warping as a bad thing, I think). However, you are definitely right about the overman being someone who lives by their own moral code and noone else's.

[godlessyurifan]

@ShwaNerd Nooo. Nietzsche was an elitist and anti-political. Your whole first sentence would be pure slave morality to Nietzsche. The Ubermensch is best understood in terms of the Eternal Return. Imagine that time is circular and that after you die, everything that ever happened in the universe happens all over again an infinite number of times. Someone who could bear the thought of living their whole life over again an infinite number of times is an Ubermensch.

[aeronautofthespirit1]

thou sprach quatsch

[fede2]

"god is dead" is a concept for believers and atheists alike. in fact, if you read that passage in "the gay science" carefully, it seems like nietzsche is adressing non-believers primarily. what it means is that while taking god out of the picture a lot of the intellectual comfort that secular people continued to cling to goes aways as well.