Really a Supporter of Rape?

My thoughts on the tenor of the debate.

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[BigSpoon19]

I appreciate that sentiment. I am, however, not a Christian and my position does not come from a religious basis.

I would submit to you that, like any politically charged issue, BOTH sides have a tendency to be dogmatic and irrational. I can't tell you how many people I've talked to on the "pro-choice" side who don't actually think about what they believe or why but just parrot what their political compatriots believe. It's not just the "Christians" that need to change for improved dialogue.

[BigSpoon19]

I think you have a strong argument against the doctrine that states God pulls the strings and makes all things happen. I agree with you, and suggest you bring that up with a Christian who believes that. I don't believe that God intervenes in that way. However, while his theology may be inconsistent and incompatible with our conception of a loving God, it does not mean he was supporting rape. When you say one "supports rape," I think you are being unnecessarily divisive.

[Hereticbooks]

One thing I can so for you, even though I disagree with you on almost every part of your argument, is that at least, unlike most other Christian video makers and commentors....at LEAST, you have a degree of respect for your opponent....and I believe your show of emotion is genuine. If more Christians were like you, there might actually be a productive dialogue

[Hereticbooks]

If God had a hand in any part of this, then no pregnancy would result from rape. There is nothing good about rape. I worked for a victims assistance program for many years. I've seen the devastation to women. I've seen little 13 year old girls (one in particular) who gave birth to her father's child. The child had horrible health problems and died shortly after birth. How could ANY of this be a good thing? If God can make something good from bad...why not in the Congo?

[nyarlotep]

You would be surprise of how many people would defend the headless baby's rights to reach the birth... You would be surprise.

Here in my country Abortion is illegal and a lot of christian doctors have refuse to abort all of the cases I mention backing their decitions on their religious believes. It seems that for a lot of people is a bit more difficult to drew the line that to you.

[BigSpoon19]

I'm not talking about toning down the details. I'm talking about the frequency that these things occur. I would think that a headless baby who is only alive when attached to the mother is different. That is, it will never become a fully developed human and there is no alternative by which the mother could allow the child to live.

[nyarlotep]

Actually I have tone down the circunstaces one step on each one I bring up... that is why I said to you were to drew the line... And the headless baby as long as is attached to the mother is still alive.

[BigSpoon19]

I don't think he suggested that God used a rapist. I think anybody who has any familiarity with Christianity knows that a very common tenet of the faith is that God can make something good out of something terrible. Without speaking for him, I seriously doubt he was suggesting that rape is great. A supporter of rape means somebody who advocates rape, not somebody who thinks the resulting child from a rape is still a worthwhile creation.

[BigSpoon19]

I wouldn't think that a fetus that doesn't have a head is considered alive. That seems irrelevant.

I think we can go on all day talking about extreme circumstances. They certainly need to be addressed but ultimately it's a distraction from the fundamental question about when life begins. First we need to decide about abortion generally and then we can discuss extenuating circumstances.

[BigSpoon19]

I don't disagree that people are inconsistent.