Ohio Issue 2 Town Hall Forum - Are we looking to ever ban industrial farming? - Oct 19, 2009

Dr. Leah Dorman is asked "Are we looking to ever ban industrial farm production practices or are we going to maintain these methods in spite of the disaster it causes in public health and environmental sustainability as well as cruelty to animals?"

Full town hall video available here:
http://blip.tv/file/2746626/

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[Eriyah]

Here is an example of truly sustainable agriculture and human nutrition:

Google this article: Algae: the Obvious Choice for Omega-3's Growing nutrition demand lead straight to the source of omega-3's by Todd Kimberly

[Eriyah]

The point I was making is, factory farms are destroying the quality of life for everyone, so why should a few have the right to destroy what we all share?

I can promise you this, the slave owners, nor the public didn't get cut any slack on how the costs of getting cotton no longer derived from slaves, they just ended the practice of slavery and let the system evolve. Slavery was never right, it was legal but it was always wrong. This situation is no different.

[Eriyah]

The Ohio Liberty Council's Motto is "Don't Tread on Me." What Maurice is really saying when he calls the suggestion of banning factory farms "barbaric and cavemanish" , is "Don't tread on my right to tread on others." Maurice, what is done to individuals in factory farms is barbaric and cavemanish.

"The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for whites, or women created for men." Alice Walker

[Eriyah]

Please, for the love of life, watch a film called Earthlings- Google it.

I know what I'm saying goes against what we ALL have been taught to believe. Empathy and compassion has been limited to mankind. It is why we are so fundamentally violent. When we devalue the lives of those at our mercy, we stifle our compassion and empathy and violate them in the most extreme ways.

[punkinheadcharlie]

I eat meat and I fish sometimes. And that makes me the equivalent of a child molestor in your mind. You know, I don't know why I bothered commenting with you as long as I did. This time I'm really done. Goodbye.

[punkinheadcharlie]

That is where you and I fundementally differ. I don't think I will ever understand your point because it goes against almost everything I believe. Personal freedom DOES equal personal responsibility. I am responsible for my own actions and my own life and the lives of my family. I am responsible for my own choices and finances. I am not responsible for the bum on the street or the stray dog. If I choose to help them, that's all well and good, of course, but I am not obligated to.

[Eriyah]

The bottom line is animal exploitation infringes on EVERYONE's RIGHTS and it is neither freedom or liberty but oppression, disease and ecocide for us all, including the individual animals. Entitlement mentality is a mistake. We need to live responsibly and lead by example. We've got a problem living within our means here and its cost us and others trillions in money, death and destruction for unnecessary wars so we can live wastefully. Because we think animal products are our right to exploit.

[Eriyah]

I don't know how many ways to say this so you may understand the point. Personal freedom doesn't equal personal responsibility or morality. Child molesters like to rape children, racists like to violate other races, sexists like to abuse and devalue women. Speciesists do the same to animals. Beyond animal rights are the rights of nature and the ability for all life to survive. We are destroying that because we think we can do what ever we want because we can. Might does not make right.

[punkinheadcharlie]

Look, I'm getting tired of arguing about this, especially since we're the only two people reading this. I am a Conservative with Libertarian views on a lot of issues. I want the government to have LESS control over individuals' lives. Just let everyone live their own lives, you know? If someon wants to smoke pot and eat bacon every day, whatever. Just don't go crawling to the government for help when you have a heart attack.

[Eriyah]

This isn't a single issue. While animal rights stands on its own merit to be sure, there are serious human rights, sustainability, economic, national security, food security implications that are a crucial part of this equation. If water quality and scarcity effects us all, and the leading cause of its degradation and consumption is supporting animal agriculture, this needs to be corrected. If the leading cause of illness and ecocide is contributed to livestock production it affects us all