Jeremiah Wright: The Saga Continues

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[Army20080909]

you look like that guy from the 70's show

eric

[FalconX2000]

Well, if you feel that way, I can still respect it. Some people have more cautious views on the use of force than others.

And yeah, I agree. That's why Obama only mentioned it in passing, referring it more as a circumstance to support his own point on why he was right about Pakistan.

That said, while Bush has been an abysmal failure as a president imo, he did slightly better in interacting with foreign nations in his final couple of years than he did before.

[Flyingthoughts]

but there could have been, that is way to big a risk. And praising W isn't gonna get him much support.

[FalconX2000]

Obama was the advocate of the "carrot and stick" approach. Aid if Pakistan does its part against terrorissm and restores democracy, sanctions and bombing terrorist targets on their territory otherwise.

That is what the administration is starting to do *now*, not back then. They took out one of the top Al Qaeda leaders because the Pakistan government was loafing around again. There has of course been no global backlash.

[FalconX2000]

True perhaps, but countries with far lower stature than the USA break international law routinely for far less noble purposes.

Now, understand what I meant by rattling. The USA continued to provide aid in all forms to the Pakistan government, despite the fact it was sitting on its ass doing nothing either for the terrorists or for its own people.

It never threatened to cut off or even reduce this aid if the Pakistan government didn't do its share. Naturally, it was resources wasted.

[Flyingthoughts]

See, but that is a break of international law... Considering that they didn't know this was going on that technically could have been view as a act of aggression. The "rattling" could have worked, cause it isn't like Pakistan doesn't have a sizable military (with the amount of cash W gave them... they have some force). It was Cowboy Diplomacy, and that has to stop( it should have stopped with T.R.) it is an outdate system. Rattling doesn't break any laws and can be affective.

[Iconoclasm333]

The threat of a North American Union plan is very Real. Its incredible Americans are still in Denial about this.

Ask yourself why the Controlled Corporate Media/Presidential Candidates WONT TELL YOU ABOUT THIS...

CNN-Over A dozen States pass laws resisting NORTH AMERICAN UNION

watch?v=oVx9M4Yk--Q

CSPAN-Montana Senate Debate"NORTH AMERICAN UNION"plan

watch?v=6M5GK9Na8KU

CNN Debate-NAU Highway Exposed by Ron Paul

watch?v=_wCdULj6fOQ

ENDGAME-NORTH AMERICAN UNION-Pt. 1/3

watch?v=YwHMpwGcag4

[FalconX2000]

No problem, I'll continue my previous one by replying to this one.

Obama said that the USA should not put all their eggs in one basket by appeasing Musharraf due to his actions in government and his conflict with much of the Pakistan people. He also wanted to use force against Al Qaeda targets in Pakistan if their own government could not act. Clinton supported the sabre-rattling approach.

Obama turned out to be right. So he knew when to use force as well.

[FalconX2000]

Well that's funny. Obama himself said Hillary Clinton amended her economic plan to make it more like his. Where'd u get the info?

Obama wasn't simply opposed to the war. He stated the reasons why America shouldn't go to war, listed out the factors and problems that would arise from an invasion, and every single one of them turned out to be true. His stand in 2002 against the Iraq war while in the middle of a campaign to get re-elected to the state senate showed he knew when not to use force.

[Flyingthoughts]

and iam not saying the war was good... but at the time we were lead to believe that they were a threat... and at that time president bush didn't seem like he had a reason to lie. so yeah... sorry ran out of room