You need to reference text such as: CMC manual or Rope Rescue Techniques. The rescuers needs to stop at head level to the victim, and use a "shorthaul" system or pickoff strap to attach to the victims harness. Do not connect carabiners together (hard-link). Pickoff strap should be attached to the rescuers brakebar rack. ALWAYS use a seconary belay line when training from an elevated arena. Train "proper" technques, and take NO shortcuts.
Correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Hill. Hooking safeties onto carabiners instead of directly to harness attachment point (mallion). Blowing it with no hard lock. Opening the loaded carabiner to remove Fig 8. Should have attached to harness mallion/AP to isolate fig 8 for removal. Several other oddities. And did I hear "theoretically" and "we'll cheat"? Pretty irresponsible...
That's why he said theoretically he should have went to his harness so he could open the biner. Once he took the weight off the 8 they pretty much had too. Sure they could throw a haul back together to get the weight off, or even pull the red line up and out of the 8, but aluminum biners can handle about 7-8 kN open, and I'm betting they were using steel anyway. And on top of all that, they had a safety in place. That's why it's training - a place to learn.
The victim has an eight plate to lower himself onto the rescuers harness. If he had an eight plate, he could lower himself to the ground and not need a pick off. Duhh. The other poblem of putting the victim onto your harness, is that their weight is pulling your harness downward and possibly off. Learn how to use a lowering system with a load transfer.
Absolutely terrible...the rescuer opened the victims locking biner to remove the figure 8. Pick offs can be done without that kind of safety violation.
men..sorry ... you have to study more.... muuuuuch mooore!!!!!!, your practice it´s very dangerous
Blackdevil1945 2 months ago
Not safe at all..
bigbasswarrior 4 months ago
You need to reference text such as: CMC manual or Rope Rescue Techniques. The rescuers needs to stop at head level to the victim, and use a "shorthaul" system or pickoff strap to attach to the victims harness. Do not connect carabiners together (hard-link). Pickoff strap should be attached to the rescuers brakebar rack. ALWAYS use a seconary belay line when training from an elevated arena. Train "proper" technques, and take NO shortcuts.
bhquint15 4 months ago
@MuffDivers You don't train 30 ft. in the air with no capture/belay.
uno50bmg 7 months ago
Correct me if I'm wrong Mr. Hill. Hooking safeties onto carabiners instead of directly to harness attachment point (mallion). Blowing it with no hard lock. Opening the loaded carabiner to remove Fig 8. Should have attached to harness mallion/AP to isolate fig 8 for removal. Several other oddities. And did I hear "theoretically" and "we'll cheat"? Pretty irresponsible...
uno50bmg 7 months ago
@MuffDivers The safety also went through the same biner he opened.
ronsdavis 7 months ago
I think this is an excellent video guys! Thanks for your help.
bkuykendall88 8 months ago
@hieloclimb
That's why he said theoretically he should have went to his harness so he could open the biner. Once he took the weight off the 8 they pretty much had too. Sure they could throw a haul back together to get the weight off, or even pull the red line up and out of the 8, but aluminum biners can handle about 7-8 kN open, and I'm betting they were using steel anyway. And on top of all that, they had a safety in place. That's why it's training - a place to learn.
MuffDivers 1 year ago
The victim has an eight plate to lower himself onto the rescuers harness. If he had an eight plate, he could lower himself to the ground and not need a pick off. Duhh. The other poblem of putting the victim onto your harness, is that their weight is pulling your harness downward and possibly off. Learn how to use a lowering system with a load transfer.
JRifflard 1 year ago
Absolutely terrible...the rescuer opened the victims locking biner to remove the figure 8. Pick offs can be done without that kind of safety violation.
hieloclimber 1 year ago