John Piper - The Sin of Abortion

John Piper calls us to carefully consider the sin of abortion.

"Abortion: The Innocent Blood of Our Sons and Daughters"
January 27, 2008

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[kv4n]

Abortion = Freedom to choose Murder.

There is no other way to describe the act of forcibly taking the life of an innocent human being.

The sad state of our country is that it's illegal to murder your child as long as you don't see it yet. As long as it's hidden away in your womb, the Government advocates the murder of a child. And that is horrible and shameful.

[csu12]

goth- then how is it possible that if you got drunk, got in a wreck, and killed a pregnant lady, you get double homicide?

[Idontlikedogs1010]

He want's raw facts well here they are:-According to statistics in the U.S protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions the Catholic account for 31.3%. Jewish account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions.

Somehow I don't think sticking your noses on bibles help.

[Idontlikedogs1010]

I think this man is suffering from mental health issues.

[uccomic]

1/3 of all pregnancies end in miscarriage, which is medically referred to as "spontaneous abortion". One quarter of all humans ever born are currently alive today. That means 24 billion humans have been successfully conceived. So if we apply today's miscarriage rate (and it undoubtedly was higher in ancient times), god would be responisble for about 12 billion spontaneous abortions.

If god existed, he would be the most prolific abortionist in history.

[PALOMITA694]

SEPARATION OF STATE AND RELIGION IS JUSTICE FOR ALL!

[Revinius]

@T2Todd2 I can't way if they are or are not held accountable. God is not right or wrong in judging anyone. Perhaps He gives kids His grace, as He gave to me, perhaps not. The bible is silent as to still-borns etc. All we can do is look at verses around it, which give us sketchy answers at best. I would be most going against conscience though to identify a certainty where the text does not state one. I don't tell God what to do - He sometimes tells me what He does, but mainly what He wants of me.

[T2Todd2]

@Revinius No I definitely understand you. I know that kids can lie and steal and things like that but I don't believe it is sin for little children in the eyes of God because all sin has a price and the wages of sin is death. At least I know now that you're not saying little children go to hell. If you do agree that little children are not held accountable then I'll say we're on the same plane.

[Revinius]

@T2Todd2 I see you havent been blessed with kids yet. Parents realise quickly that kids are born with fundamental flaws. They do not have to be taught naughtiness, they do it because it's their nature. Recall "It's not what goes into a man that makes him a sinner, but what comes out of a man". A good source is Augustines 'Confessions' Book 2 where Augustine critiques his own childhood 'innocence'.

PS. Recall i am not arguing for kids going to Hell, merely against your certainty they are not.

[Revinius]

@T2Todd2 Jesus wasnt a son of Adam. He was never in Adam so was unable to sin. He, like Adam though, could be tempted. The difference between Jesus and Adam was that Jesus didnt give in to the temptation, Adam did. I think your view that we are born innocent parties in a fallen world isnt scriptural. Scripture is clear that we are born depraved and for such reasons God can justly judge anyone he please for "all have fallen short of the glory of God", "for there is none righteous, not even one".

[T2Todd2]

@Revinius Little children can't even form opinions much less willfully break God's law. Little children spend those years from a baby to childhood observing, not premeditating sin, not with knowledge choosing to break God's law, not willfully working against their conscience, nor forming opinions about right and wrong. The bible says that YAHUSHUA learned obedience. HE learned and then obeyed as children learn and then choose whether or not to obey.YAHUSHUA never sinned because HE made a choice

[T2Todd2]

If YAHUSHUA sinned, do u think we would have a savior today? No, so how could you say it's not so much what we do but who we are. The reason HE was innocent of sin was because HE never sinned. If all are born condemned because of the fall of Adam, then so was YAHUSHUA born condemned as isn't truly our savior. But no, the truth is that we are all born into a world of sin, but when we choose to sin which is willfully breaking the law of God, then we become sinners.