Variations on the Theme of Death
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@babylonoise We have reason to believe that the Big Bang occurred. Is there a conscious entity, to whom we could appeal, to suggest that the Big Bang was an *error*, and that it would lead to human beings who would suffer terribly and die? If not, then the best that we can do is to appeal to others, but most humans simply model social behavior. Expecting them to think critically and resist normative behavior is unrealistic.Whether antinatalism is a sensical idea or not, it's not realistic.
EnglishGoethe 1 month ago
@HannibaltheVictor13 I don't think that if I were a powerful being who could traverse space-time that I would want to live as a human again, but I would like to see how history unfolded (so that we could see just how far off our history books really were). I'd love to see how the evolution of Homo sapiens sapiens actually occurred, and how civilization in Mesopotamia got going, and how it evolved to the present day. It would be like observing SimCity. All that we are and have was created by us.
EnglishGoethe 1 month ago
@HannibaltheVictor13 His name is Emil Cioran. If you have a library.nu account, you can find some of his books there (or books about him). You can also look for some videos about Cioran on YouTube. Schopenhauer is also very important.
EnglishGoethe 1 month ago
@EnglishGoethe Well what if it is? Your friend talking about the idea of being like an avatar was very interesting. What if, and I am only speculating here death is the removal of whatever we might be and allows us to travel through time space and the universe without restraint. Could we return to any time and any place in history and live again. Of course its only speculation.
HannibaltheVictor13 1 month ago
This is very interesting, It's to bad that the efilists won't actually acknowledge it. This Ciron guy has some interesting ideas
HannibaltheVictor13 1 month ago
Death is either the end of freedom, or the beginning. Could it be both?
EnglishGoethe 1 month ago
tahts on the menu
babylonoise 1 month ago
think gary was speaking of exacty the "rationalizations" of "pronatalists" in attaining a position against their own fears of death; all is asked for by antinatalists is the realisation, that non-existance can only be experienced by the existing. possible suffering and redeeming joy seem like an absurd "advantage" in respect to being nothing, but ONLY for the soul already existing, even if joys and pains are distributed very unevenly. redemption has been flushed away by history, and so it goes
babylonoise 1 month ago