Free Will, Determinism, and the Great FSM's Omniscience

Free will is compatible with these notions, and the latter two are basically the same.

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[Roenazarrek]

No?

Are you argueing that because we have free will god cannot be omnicient?

You can't change the future even if God doesn't exist (which he doesn't) and we live in profound random indeterminicy, the future is just whats going to happen.

But that doesn't mean we aren't makeing choices, otherwise what is the point of intelligence? What is the point of thought?

Furthermore how exactly DO you define free will? So we can actually know weather or not we have it.

[trick0171]

The point about the whole "god" thing is, if there is a god that knows that you will choose pepsi prior to you choosing pepsi, you CANNOT choose coke.

The point about determinism is, if the causal chain of events must lead up to you choosing pepsi, you CANNOT choose coke.

The point about indeterminism is, if an event happens acausally, it cannot be a willed event (as a willer is required, which would be the cause).

All 3 are incompatible with (the common notion of) "free will".

[Roenazarrek]

@trick0171

My point about gods omniscience is it isn't a matter of you choosing what god knows, but god knowing what you choose.

And my point with determinism is, your choice and everything that goes into it IS part of the causal chain. Every thought, every piece of information you learn every preference you have, and opinion is part of the causal chain.

It seems as though the assumed "common notion" of free will that these arguments try to refute is nothing but a technicality

[trick0171]

@Roenazarrek

God is knowing what you choose BEFORE you ever EXIST. A distinct but important difference.

The causal chain extends to prior to you even existing. You had no "choice" in the causal chain.

These "technicalities" mean that one does not have the ability to choose between more than one VIABLE option, in which that choice is up to the chooser. It is this notion of free will that does cannot logically exist. It is important for people to understand this.