UHC Response (Part 1)
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The point is if I didn't give to these things you are talking about I COULD afford to set some money aside for myself and would as would most people. The ways I would save would be much more efficient than the gov't programs that purport to do these things for me. And overall people would be taken care of BETTER if these things didn't exist. (They didn't exist from beginning of eternity, by the way) :)
johnebii 4 years ago
I am not rich at all. I work a good steady manufacturing job operating a machine. I have only a high school education and support a disabled wife and disabled son on one income.
Things are very tight, so I don't set aside a sizable amount of income for these things.
johnebii 4 years ago
'medicaid, social security,'
Wow you are lucky to be rich, but not everyone can, as you can, set aside a sizable amount from their income specifically allocated for retirement and additional provisions for the medical care you may need when you are too old or ill to work.
I recommend seeing a PBS Frontline report titled 'can you afford to retire?' think its online
Rickdeckard2020 4 years ago
also you have to take into account people do not lose their houses due to med. expesnses, but they do lose other things, clothing, food,
or what type of house they can even have in the first place b/c they have to give up extra money to pay for UHC. so not one person receives a huge loss (the loss of a house for ex.) but collectively many people lose alittle bit of what they could have had without the taxes that were takenfrom them to pay UHC. it's called a lower standard of living
johnebii 4 years ago
take anything that has been put into law that subverts the freedoms of others. public schools-51% or more thought thatwas a good idea and many many people thought it wasn't but it was passed into law. now they take my money and force me to give it to a school that i probably wouldn't have chosen if i had total freedom ont the matter. same with medicaid, social security, welfare and on and on and on the list goes of things that the 51% have forced upon us
johnebii 4 years ago
Im puzzled, what majority vote are you talking about? Do you have one example taken from the list of everytime. It would help me have a remote clue about what you refer to, I dont understand the notion of freedom without democracy(except for someone living on an isolated mountain ranch or in a wartorn lawless post-apocalytic road warrior zone ) ;)
(dont mind my colourfull exageration its to make it more amusing)
Rickdeckard2020 4 years ago
and i hear the 'freedom leads to fascism' mantra all the time as well. you can't get me on that :) Fascism is no more 'free market' than socialism. Both involve serious coercion. Everytime I talk about the populists forcing their will onto the rest through majority vote, someone on the left points to fascism/corporatism like that's some kind of excuse. Two wrongs don't make a right. ABOLISH BOTH!!
johnebii 4 years ago
lower taxes do not mean deficits. we have record revenue tax RECEIPTS right now in the U.S. with these lower taxes. The theory of growing the pie and taking a smaller percent of it is working. The problem comes from spending (mainly on this war) which the Repub congress and Bush were horrible about.
johnebii 4 years ago
rick you do make a lot of sense. the points you are making are valid arguments against the current system, but the solution is not to go to an even more inextricable mess. we need to go back the other way where we realize the real costs of health care not hide them in government spending and then we will see the costs begin to come down. also the premiums will be lower than the taxes you pay for h/c for the reasons i outline in the vid. they may be in part two.
johnebii 4 years ago
hah the tyranny of democracy, 51% imposing their will by force. I hear that like a mantra ;)
The alternative to democracy sounds good, everyones free yeah, but in practice it usually turns into 5% forcing their will on 95%. Thats why the American Liberty League both hailed freedom and free market while ploting a fascist dictatorship in the 30s
Rickdeckard2020 4 years ago