Please Understand Me II: Temperament Character Intelligence [Closed Captioned]

It has been over 11 years since its publication, and 31 years since its first incarnation as "Please Understand Me".
And dare I say, used even longer (perhaps as early as the late 19th century) as a proto-model theory to gather information on people. However, with the changes in technology, culture, and the attitude of the western world, the question begs to be asked: Is the Myers-Briggs test still relatively accurate?

The observed high population of "iNtuitives" out there raises both my skepticism and curiosity about the test.

Perhaps, nowadays, with the value on creativity, people are less likely to see themselves as uncreative. Perhaps, other questions should be added to the book. I believe a large indicator of your personality type is your job. Now, I may have my detractors, saying, "You are not your job." However, I feel, that if anyone dedicates more than 4 hours a day towards something, isn't a rather large part of them that? After all, a large part of existence is dedicated towards a career. And furthermore, your job does give you the ability to function, hopefully in a comfortable capacity, in society. Thus, there is a psychological dependency on a job that is not mentioned at all in the book. And yet, I am willing to wager, there are some who would like to ignore that kind of question all together.

Category:

Education

Tags:

• Please Understand Me II
• MBTI
• Meyers
• Briggs
• David Keirsey
• Meyers-Briggs
• Personality Type
• Artisan
• Guardian
• Idealist
• Rational

[ieshivposter]

you mentioned that because "being in the clouds" is considered a compliment these days, thats why more people are scoring "N" than people scoring "S". So first of all, this clearly proves that this system works. You obviously think it's better to "be in the clouds" (N) while an S (like me) would think its better to be in a rut.

Second of all, people are not scoring N more than S, research shows that most of the world is SJ/SP (guardian/Artisan). So that was a false claim.

[TheFaustianMan]

@ieshivposter What a canard. Subjectivity does not make for a valid testing system me thinks. And lastly, I do not know what "reseach" you speak of but "most of the world" is both subjective and unscientific. Unless "most of the world" has taken this test. Whilst "Nearly a billion people will enter the 21st century unable to read a book or sign their names and two thirds of them are women."- Unicef c.1999

I find it highly unlikely- the above sited - bothered taking a MBTI test.

[TheFaustianMan]

@TheFaustianMan Furthermore, the concepts are clearly ethnocentric and would not be, in any way, related to the Sino-Tibetan family of languages. To assume these concepts and questions would apply to the Chinese and Indian would be as equally foolish.

[Ocelotte]

Your arguments are extremely interesting, especially how you bring up changing perspectives 50-60 yeas later and how they effect the way a person would view himself/herself, wanting to be cast in a favourable light by the terms of his/her current era. I think that the MBTI in many ways is valid, as long as one understands that a lot of the system revolves around generalizations and is not written in stone; rather it is a guideline or framework-- a starting point in exploring the self.

[TheFaustianMan]

@Ocelotte Thank you for stopping by.

[heartrocketblast]

Keirsey Temperament Theory distinguishes between temperament and character. Temperament is inborn, while character is something acquired externally. This can create a great deal of apparent, confusing differences between people while the essentials remain the same. Thus why an Artisan from the US would look completely different than an African Artisan. Yet the basic needs and values remain the same.

Dr. Keirsey's latest book is Personology. You should check it out.

[TheFaustianMan]

@heartrocketblast I most definitely will. I'll make a vid on my thoughts when I get to it. But, I must warn you, I am a notoriously slow reader (Dyslexic).

[phinny5608]

The tests seem to get it wrong all the time, so I prefer to get to the real issue and just figure out the person's 4 letters (in my case INFP). And people guessing tend to get it wrong a lot too. I've heard people getting typed as one thing because, I suppose, the person doing the typing PREFERED that they were that type. Then they turned out to be something else. Like, some people seem to prefer typing people as NF's or NT's because I guess it's seen as cooler than being an SJ for example.

[TheFaustianMan]

@heartrocketblast It's good to know. Thanks so much for stopping by! I bet there is a HUGE market for a new book. I mean it's about time, and it would garner much support. Look how it has become rather infused with pop-psy.

[heartrocketblast]

I talk to Dr. Keirsey's son all the time and go to his message board. KTT =/= MBTI. Using individual variants to describe a person is completely opposed to KTT which views the whole as greater than the sum of its parts.

That being said, yes the Sorter DOES need to be updated... I've been talking about this for awhile now, but it's hard to get anything done on that.

And Keirsey builds upon temperament theory which has been established since ancient Greece. I think it still has relevance.

[asopaso07]

@TheFaustianMan

Its the only way I can deal with my emotions. lol

People often mistake INTJs to be cold and reserved but really I we arnt.

Haha no problem!