Debate Stefbot Stefan Molyneux Determinist/Free Will (Edit)

A remix of the recent Stefan freewill debate. Enjoy.

Original Stefan Debate from which audio was used:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITkQUYwZxgE


I just want everyone to know that although I may disagree with Molyneux on this topic, I do respect him. Although this video is partially geared toward the factor of humor, it is not intended to portray him as someone of inferior intellect.

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[bunabayashi]

Instead of cleverly editing an existing debate which was clear and concise, why not simply debate Stef?

[Sepero1]

Thank you for asking. I contacted him for a discussion and he declined.

[JuSdAt]

Do u remember the part where the self proclaimed 'philosopher' quiverred when he asked why determinists would argue with him (it baffled him for eons).. the answer was because humans r designed to correct each other. He quickly went back to the rock scenario fully aware that he'd been stumped. lol. Cause & Affect. He's bright enough to know that in a donation based business, telling the donators they dont have freewill is a step 2 far. Freewill gives them a warm, fuzzy feeling when donating.

[Sepero1]

Aw, I think that's kind of harsh to say about donators. :)

The man's gotta eat, and he can't rightly make use of copyright laws enforced by the state. So he's doing the next best thing- accepting 'donations' for his work.

[Valelacerte]

You couldn't have a real debate so you fabricated one?!

[BroBroDude]

@PostITnoteGUY So which is it? You disbelieve in causal principles, despite the fact that every action you've ever taken including this very conversation is consequent to a belief in causal principles? loooooool how enlightened and undogmatic. Good 4 u bro!

skepticism fail

[BroBroDude]

@PostITnoteGUY No no no, I'm mocking you in caps. Because your positions are funnier if they're written in large letters. Welcome to the internet.

You must either revise the principles of causation (physics) or accept determinism. I actually don't care at all if you choose the revision approach, though you'll struggle mightily. But to accept causal principles but not determinism is straight-up lols. The human mind is not a special case.

[BroBroDude]

@PostITnoteGUY lollin. PHYSICS IS DOGMA GUYS.

EPISTEMOLOGY IS DOGMA GUYS.

LISTEN GUYS CAUSATION IS JUST A THEORY OK. A THEORY I RELY ON IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF MY DAILY THOUGHTS AND ACTIVITIES WITHOUT EXCEPTION INCLUDING THIS ONE RIGHT NOW. BUT JUST A THEORY OK.

NOTHING IS CERTAIN THEREFORE IT MAKES SENSE TO ACT AS IF THE IMPROBABLE IS IMMINENT TRUST ME OK

skepticism fail =*(

[hob976]

Man, this really is a cowardly and petty video... I have no side in this debate... but this is just pathetic.

[RedDevileire]

This is a bit pathetic , you really have showed yourself to be quite the fool

[verstwo2]

@andrewh817 - "determinists actually believe there is no free will, they wouldn't ever debate people because if it's their destiny to believe in free will,"

-there is a strawman fallacy. determinist may claim that everything is caused and therefore determined, but they don't claim the omniscience to know what the future holds. If I were to have a debate and change minds - that in itself would also be predetermined, but not preknown. Hope that clears things up.

[BroBroDude]

@verstwo2 "Accountability" probably makes more sense for what you are describing, since you're literally just accounting for the cause of a particular affect. But it doesn't really matter. You have the concept correct.

[verstwo2]

@BroBroDude - "In the absence of free will responsibility as commonly defined does not exist. " - I'm not opposed to changing the common definition. It would just have to be more complex (which it is).

Rereading my post I should clarify with an example; if I push a button with my finger, my finger caused the button to be pushed, my finger is responsible. However we could follow a chain of causation to my brain, to my biology, ancestry, etc. But it's still My finger that pushed the button.

[BroBroDude]

@andrewh817 Yes, he did. And that is offensively retarded, especially for a bright and well-intending guy.

Despite the absence of free will, it is impossible to KNOW that someone is determined to believe this or that. Arguing for that reason makes perfect sense.

Stef's positions on both free will and arguments about it are his achilles heel to say the very least.

[BroBroDude]

@verstwo2 No. In the absence of free will responsibility as commonly defined does not exist. So annoying to see determinists refuse to follow through.

There is no such thing as responsibility for one's actions. Plain and simple. This doesn't however change much of anything about justice and social order.