13H Refutes CCHR: Industry of Death (Psyche History)

(Notes included here) my dealing with the section section of "Industry of death"

I wasn't going to deal with this section because its clearly propagandist crap. You see it starts the history back with the founding of bedlam in the mid 1200's

Instead of praising culture for the vast progress we've made in understanding all forms of illness they
pick time periods in which the mentally ill were shunned, and cast out from society without any attempt to understand their problems. Then they proceed to speak ill of those that pioneered the first attempts to understand these illnesses.

Without those that first questioned if the mentally ill can be helped, people so afflicted would still be cast out to die miserable, tormented and alone.

Without the context of the societal views during the time periods cited, the entire segment is grossly out of context.

It's a shameless manipulative tactic. Medicine and Dentistry were equally horrid during similar time periods. With that understanding, this whole segment is unadulterated bullshit.

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[TMOvids]

Your treatment of benjamin rush is just bad analysis. I don't care if he was anti-slavery. Hitler was a vegetarian. It changes nothing. You should have adressed the claims made about his horrific treatment of people. Did he invent "the tranquiliser"? Yup, and that was a travesty. I hate rush. Hey, he was probably kind to his wife, but he still made life hell for so many people.

With Cotton, it would have been nice if you could point to some good work being done in the early 20th century.

[13Heathens]

@TMOvids "Your treatment of benjamin rush is just bad analysis"

Rush was wrong, and his methods had much to be desired. I provided the background I did because it does point toward motives which were hardly sinister.. although as with those before him, the methodology was horrific.

Note; During the 20th century There really wasn't much work that would be considered good by modern standards. The shrink were just stumbling in the dark groping for answers.

[TMOvids]

"at least the man tried"

No. What William Battie did was wrong, regardless of intention.

I don't know nearly enough about history to comment on motives of psychiatrists in the 18th century (and I'm almost certain you don't either) but money seems much more likely than fame. That doesn't discredit the work in any way, so no need to distance it from that.

[13Heathens]

@TMOvids True, I can only speculate as to the motives of 18th century shrinks.. or modern ones for that matter.. However this was the time period in which the concept of curing the mentally ill began to be promoted (even if it was bullshit). Prior to this you were killed for being "possessed" exorcised, or locked away without any thought given to the possibility of recovery.

[NicNasty1981]

Great work 13. I can notice an improvement with your videos. Your delivery and dialoge is great and im glad your friend talked you into doing this one.

[ChoofMonster]

When $cientology and its front-groups (CCHR, narCONon) allow double-blind, peer-reviewed studies into their methods and gains evidence-based scientific credibility, then maybe people will have a valid reson to listen to their outrageous claims.

Psychiatry may not be perfect (it still helps MOST patients to live fuller, happier lives), but scamtology is not even valid.

[Rockguitarnow]

It's true that a profit motive drives most everything in a capitalist country.

Whats important to note, is that socialism grew in popularity so quickly at the turn of the century because people could see it reduced mental problems.

[TMOvids]

At the end, I didn't read their comment as having anything at all to do with evolution. Am watching the original vid concurrently with yours but you said they go into behavioural studies, which seems to fit the comment meaning they had to get rid of the idea that men have souls. This doesn't necessitate evolution being true?

[JillyX92]

The first psych ward was horrible? No way! Everyone knows how smoothly all other medical procedures worked in the old days.

[lostinthelandoflies]

'which is a great remark from you' How nice for you to say so. I do take into account 'historical cultural views' and also apply them to what is happening in culture today. Homo Sapiens have not evolved so rapidly that the ideas revealed by our past culture/history have disappeared. They just take on different, but just as dangerous, forms of expression.