Okinawan Dance vs Karate Hamachidori & its Bunkai

Bunkai means analyzing or comparing something. This video depicts Karate movements found in the traditional Okinawan dance called Hamachidori. This is a dance that has a bit of a hidden secret. Karate movements are hidden in the dance so that the Japanese would not know that the Okinawans were practicing martial arts! The explaination is in Japanese but english speakers into martial arts should understand.

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• Okinawan
• History
• Culture
• Dance
• Karate
• Hamachidori
• Odori
• Bunkai
• Tom
• Corrao
• Okinawa
• Ryukyu
• Martial
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[Tuigwaachan]

nifee debiru!  great video

[TheWayPlace]

@robertmrivers .... not that these arts really need any more defining and pigeon holing!

[TheWayPlace]

@robertmrivers I wasn't being obtuse I was a bit confused by the statement - but after posting realised I was more confused with the other poster (ronin). In either case hamachidori is a good training aid and the video is helpful for people to see some technique. My recent research has however made me question whether Udundi is a ryu ha though. The Motobu's were not the only family to have been granted an Udun status, I'm starting to view Udun-di as 'noble family hand'. Any thoughts on that?

[robertmrivers]

@TheWayPlace stratify the different disciplines like they do here. I've trained in Okinawa as well. I'm with ya!

[robertmrivers]

@TheWayPlace Ti/ Di is not Udundi. Udundi is a ryu ha of its own. I was referring to the fact that Karate's progenitors, who never called it "karate" were influenced and propagated simply "Di", or Okinawan martial arts, which were influenced by many disciplines, including Motobu Udundi. My comment is in agreement with yours. The "majority" being what is taught on the mainland and in the west. The media and commercialism have changed what true Di is. In Okinawa, they don't

[TheWayPlace]

Thank you for posting.

[TheWayPlace]

@robertmrivers what is historical truth? Having trained at source I can say that those who teach Te (Ti and Udundi) do so under the label of karate. It only seems like being back here in the west people want ot box them all up as different arts.

[robertmrivers]

@ronin752 Well said. Funny how the majority rules what karate "is" and the historical truth is swept under the carpet...

[robertmrivers]

@rosswoof Actually, I think it's just missing a colon and the use of "vs." might not be accurate. In Japanese, "kara" and "To" (as in Todi) are interchangeable depending on which kanji you are using. The transliteration provides a lot of freedom.

[ronin752]

@rosswoof

Maybe, but doesn't the separation of the Ti from karadi or move karate farther away from the root. To me, to separate Ti from Todi or karadi moves karate in the wrong direction. Just a thought.