The universe (some information to live in it)

From the 1981 Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy. BBC

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• life
• space
• futility

[drewid88]

Peter Jones, we miss you.

[mystykit]

Actually, I agree with this, LOL.

[irvykinneas]

what is this

[EvaPilot1]

It really is terribly complicated.

[SirVladDracula]

@jorgepeterbarton I'm not saying anything along those lines. =P

Just because I understand something doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

I'm sure you understand the concepts of many religions; yet I doubt you believe in all of them. Same thing.

I can't prove anyone wrong upon anything I can't physically see nor touch, but neither can anyone else.

I'm not religious. I just don't believe everything I hear. If I can see it be proven, then so be it.

Until then; how can you be sure?

[jorgepeterbarton]

@jorgepeterbarton ubt if i haven't explained it well enough already, you've given at the end an example of two infinities of different sizes... two pieces of string with different diameters... and like the number of planets, just because there are a smaller number of planets of one type than another, they both can be infinite in quantity. an infinitite repetition of a part of space but each repetition completely different from one another as they can be.

[jorgepeterbarton]

@jorgepeterbarton perhaps it is simply wrong to talk about 'size' and a new word must be used for infinites. its more like ratios of a specific finite part of an infinity.

your example give that the length of infinity is the same. but there must be two different types, quantities if you will, perhaps not ultimately after counting them all. but that's impossible to do and irrelevant because its impossible..of infinity in area because we have something differentif we take a finite section of it..

[jorgepeterbarton]

@SirVladDracula well i'm glad you've managed to imagine infinity and do what none of all the mathmaticians and physicists over the past 2500 years... you're saying you've somehow proved them wrong.. you're saying because you don't understand it that the accepted theory is wrong.

[SirVladDracula]

@jorgepeterbarton That's like saying for something to exist it has to be over-complicated. o.o

Two pieces of infinitely long string, would both end at the same point; which is never. So one can never be any bigger than the next.

Even if the second piece of string was twice as thick, both would be of infinite mass and quantity, so one can never be any bigger than the next.

And besides; the idea of differing sized infinity is also a theory. Because you can never prove infinate mass. Only disprove.

[jorgepeterbarton]

@jorgepeterbarton forget infinity is even a number... its never really been anyway... its a set of numbers if you like, like real numbers are a set of numbers. since 400bc its been a set of numbers or two of the three sets from the Surya Prajnapti.

divide it by something and infinity is the answer... so.. what does dividing mean in Real terms... something is split into two types... now you have two infinities. the fact we can't count them-its impossible-means YOU can't know if they're equal.

[jorgepeterbarton]

and in fact less intuitive... its like its the opposite to what you are saying to all mathematicians, physicists etc.... infinity is just a theory, a made up number.. to apply it to reality it needs something like the theory of cardinals: that you can have different sizes of it..

before this it only applied to things like recurring numbers, theoretical maths or poetry and wasn't really thought about in an infinite universe or anything real.

[jorgepeterbarton]

@SirVladDracula infinity is not a real number. you can't apply intuition to it.

in an infinite universe. you can't say that there's now the same amount of everything as everything else.

that's established really. i mean yours is just a theory too remember that hasn't been in use since the 19th century (if it ever was, and not just the application to physical realities that needed cardinal values of infinity) and its even less intuitive to me..