What's the Point of Jesus

Does God have to kill someone in order to forgive? In this clip Bart Campolo suggests that the main point of Jesus was not to die for our sins, but to teach about Gods grace.

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[October31st1517]

Unadulterated Heresy.

[davidlgs]

Ahahaha! There are so many things wrong with this video I don't even know where to start. God can't "just forgive sins." A judge who pardons law-breakers isnt a righteous judge.

[TheObviousHero]

I can kind of see where he is coming from, Hosea 6:6 tells us that God does not demand sacrifices. Looking at it that way, you could say that Jesus came to preach the truth, his death shows how opposed the world is to the ways of God, and his Resurrection shows him overcoming the ways of the world, showing that victory is in God alone and not in the ways of the world, even if it looks like we're losing. Christ's death on the cross made it look like he lost, but then we see that God never fails.

[ToBeSaltnLight]

It's not a good sign when we allow our personal feelings to determine what is biblical, right, or of God. What happens is there is a deviation from the truth. This is what is occurring in this video. Bart's god is not a god of justice. God poured his wrath on his son, so that we can be saved. Jesus had to die and that is the Gospel.

[YouTubricant]

It is absolutely amazing how much sense Campolo makes here, and all you people are idiots for not recognizing truth when it slaps you in the face.

[MaPkJustus]

@davidlgs But if "I am" mercy, then I can never be punishing. God "is" love so everything God does stems from love. Jesus died on the cross to restore our relationship to the Father that was lost and forgiveness of sins was a necessary step. But that stemmed from love. So I believe he's right, but also a little off because I believe that dying was still necessary.

[MaPkJustus]

@davidlgs I might be wrong on some of this, you'd have to back check it yourself. Justice and judgement are attributes of God. There is only one account in the Bible where God is explained as a noun and that is that God is love. 1 John 4:8. Everything else that is used to explain God in the Bible is an adjective. If I am merciful and just then sometimes I will show mercy, but sometimes I will enact justice.

[nicwright01]

@davidlgs the punishment for sin is death... those who repent and eventually recieve the spirit that raised him from the dead, at his second coming we will be risen to... Grace...forgiveness.

[t3tsuyaguy1]

@enotstehw I don't understand the point of your question. Explain?

[enotstehw]

@t3tsuyaguy1 So . Jesus did not heal on the sabbath?

[t3tsuyaguy1]

@enotstehw That story was added by later Christians. It is absent from the earliest known copies of the gospels.

A saying from Jesus that wasn't added was, "Do not think that I come to abolish the law, but to fulfill." Jesus was a Jew. He lived by the Jewish law. He admonished strongly against breaking Jewish law. The purpose of his coming, by his own words, was to fulfill the law of sacrifice.

[t3tsuyaguy1]

@davidlgs A lawgiver who creates lawbreakers only to punish them is sadistic and unworthy of worship.

Here's the key. I'm pretty sure your interpretation is consistent with the bible. Jesus came to fulfill the sacrificial law in order to atone for original sin.

That is one reason, among many, that I think if the Christian God exists, he is evil.