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Can we really love God without loving others?

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[downtoawhisper]

@mrsam1324

....And please be careful reading other books....The most important book to read is the Bible. You must study it first and match everything else up with it. If it doesn't match up with Scripture, toss it...it's no good. The books that you are reading sound like they do not match up with Scripture. Psalms 7:11 says, "God is angry with the wicked every day." Please study the Bible more in depth, and then you can read other books...but ALWAYS compare them with Scripture.

[downtoawhisper]

@mrsam1324

....or is the person going to look at you with a perplexed look, and say, "They will make me better? But I'm not sick? I'm fine."

Without you explaining to the person that they have cancer first, the pills make no sense. This is why the FULL counsel of God must be preached. We are sick with sin, and we need a remedy (Jesus) to heal us and make us born again. If we refuse this remedy, we are under God's wrath (John 3:18 says if we don't believe we are condemned already).

[downtoawhisper]

@mrsam1324

God's love only makes sense in light of His wrath. If people don't understand that they are headed for Hell before they have repented, then God's mercy, grace and love won't mean as much to them. It's kind of like this...you know someone has cancer...the person is unaware of their sickness and thinks they are perfectly healthy. So you walk up to them, and say, "Hey...take these pills. They will make you better." Do you think they will say, "Well, thanks, you're very kind!" ......

[mrsam1324]

@downtoawhisper Why can't we only talk about God's love? Isn't that what he is? If God didn't love us when we sin then why did Jesus die for us? I've been reading some good books lately and they talk about how there's this kind of false thing about God that he punishes/hates us when we sin, but it's not true. God hates evil sure and he hates sin, but he never hates people. He loves every single person he created. I think if people knew that God, nobody could reject him

[downtoawhisper]

@mrsam1324

Well, sure, we can't only talk about Hell, but we can't only talk about the love of God either. We must preach the FULL counsel of God....But if you truly understand the Gospel, you won't have to worry about preaching too much on Hell or too much on God's love. There is a balance in the true Gospel....that we all deserve Hell for our sins, but Jesus loved us so much that He died to save us, and if we would repent and put our trust in Jesus, we could be saved from Hell. .......

[downtoawhisper]

@mrsam1324

...of the Gospel. When someone can understand this, then they can understand the true grace of the Lord....and they can really appreciate it....knowing that they never deserved it, but the Lord still gave them grace time and time again. I know this is true for me.

But in order to really appreciate the remedy (Jesus) to the sickness (sin), you must understand first that you were sick and headed for death. Otherwise, the remedy (Jesus) doesn't mean as much.

[downtoawhisper]

@mrsam1324

I never said that salvation is only about avoiding Hell. I agree that if people only follow Jesus because they are afraid of the punishment (Hell), then they aren't following Him out of love. But there still needs to be an awareness of the fact that we all deserve Hell for our sins....and when we realize that Jesus died so that we could be saved, then we should repent from our sins out of love for Jesus, trust in Him and follow Him the rest of our lives. This is the heart of.....

[mrsam1324]

@downtoawhisper If salvation is only about avoiding hell, then I think it diminishes the way that God change our life now and it downplays absolutely incredible nature of God's love and how joyous and fulfilling it will be when we get to go to heaven!! I am no saint though, I am not good at portraying this love to people and that's why I believe that pray and asking for God's help is crucial in trying to tell people. Hey God loves you, He doesn't love your sin, but He offers grace to you

[mrsam1324]

I mean Jesus does love us as we are ("while we were sinners, christ died for us" Rom 5) I mean God obviously hates evil and we still do it, but I guess it goes back to what defines "us?" Are we as humans defined by our sin? Or does God view us differently? I know plenty of passionate believers who aren't perfect, but God still has grace for them. "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God not by works, so that no one can boast."

[mrsam1324]

@downtoawhisper yeah and I see what you're saying completely about talking about hell and such; it is a real place that we definitely don't want anybody to go to, but I guess I just feel like God's love gets left out of the equation so often in evangelism. And hell while it is a reality, talk of it often invokes either a response of fearful conversion or just flat out repulsion toward God, and fearful conversion isn't always authentic like even in 1 John 4 it says "perfect love drives out fear"