@MrDip02 Only if you don't count the strange sub variations from places like Vietnam (hand made "jungle stocks"), Estonia (the number of variations produced by them is still debated due to the extreme rarity of surviving examples), and Finland (technically the winged bolt 27 is a sub variation), and of course the experimental models from Russia (from the likes of Tokarev, Federov, and Simonov) and the ersatz variations from Germany, Austria, and Turkey.
@MrDip02 I do agree that the Mosin is one of the finest bolt actions of the war (it's a toss up between the Mauser, the Swiss K31, and the Mosin), but that's mostly because it was one of the most adaptable rifle platforms in history (over 70 individual variations produced during its service life, with varying amounts of change from the original pattern)
@MrDip02 I'm not saying the Suomi didn't perform better in the field, but you need to look at the bigger picture here. There's a reason the Russians never adopted a full copy of the KP31, and that's because it's extremely labor intensive and expensive to produce them on a mass scale, and that spells doom when you have a 4,000,000 strong standing army that you have to arm.
@Thatevilmidget yes when there are hundreds and thousands of russians holding this tht is a different story but personally i would not rely on this to defend myself and it's a big give away that the suomi is far better if russians coppied of it ( as russians were inspired by the greatest weapons of the time) except there own invention the mosin i still think it's one of the best ww2 rifles of the time despite it's bolt design
@Thatevilmidget i do know it was very inaccurate and the high rate of fire 900RPM leading to heating up which leads to even more innaccuracy as the PPSH-41 was not that very accurate to start with and lack of ammunition was a problem the suimo KP/-31 was FAR more superior than that PPSH-41 they are about the same RPM but in the end accuracy is what matters yeah the suomi is 1 pound more and the 9x19 parabellum is smaller than the 7.62x25 tokerev but when you're barely hitting that's a worry
@MrDip02 The PPSh was a spectacular weapon during WWII. It didn't age well, but when an entire battalion armed with the PPSh was sent into battle, walking side by side and firing constantly, it sent up a very formidable wall of bullets and accentuated Russian combat doctrine (wall of humanity) extremely well.
In short, no, the PPSh did not suck dick, you just don't know much about WWII weaponry.
@MrDip02 Only if you don't count the strange sub variations from places like Vietnam (hand made "jungle stocks"), Estonia (the number of variations produced by them is still debated due to the extreme rarity of surviving examples), and Finland (technically the winged bolt 27 is a sub variation), and of course the experimental models from Russia (from the likes of Tokarev, Federov, and Simonov) and the ersatz variations from Germany, Austria, and Turkey.
Thatevilmidget 4 days ago
@Thatevilmidget well there are only 30 variants BUT there are a lot of weird ass designs that other countries has done to the rifle
MrDip02 4 days ago
@MrDip02 I do agree that the Mosin is one of the finest bolt actions of the war (it's a toss up between the Mauser, the Swiss K31, and the Mosin), but that's mostly because it was one of the most adaptable rifle platforms in history (over 70 individual variations produced during its service life, with varying amounts of change from the original pattern)
Thatevilmidget 4 days ago
@MrDip02 I'm not saying the Suomi didn't perform better in the field, but you need to look at the bigger picture here. There's a reason the Russians never adopted a full copy of the KP31, and that's because it's extremely labor intensive and expensive to produce them on a mass scale, and that spells doom when you have a 4,000,000 strong standing army that you have to arm.
Thatevilmidget 4 days ago
@Thatevilmidget yes when there are hundreds and thousands of russians holding this tht is a different story but personally i would not rely on this to defend myself and it's a big give away that the suomi is far better if russians coppied of it ( as russians were inspired by the greatest weapons of the time) except there own invention the mosin i still think it's one of the best ww2 rifles of the time despite it's bolt design
MrDip02 4 days ago
@Thatevilmidget i do know it was very inaccurate and the high rate of fire 900RPM leading to heating up which leads to even more innaccuracy as the PPSH-41 was not that very accurate to start with and lack of ammunition was a problem the suimo KP/-31 was FAR more superior than that PPSH-41 they are about the same RPM but in the end accuracy is what matters yeah the suomi is 1 pound more and the 9x19 parabellum is smaller than the 7.62x25 tokerev but when you're barely hitting that's a worry
MrDip02 4 days ago
@MrDip02 The PPSh was a spectacular weapon during WWII. It didn't age well, but when an entire battalion armed with the PPSh was sent into battle, walking side by side and firing constantly, it sent up a very formidable wall of bullets and accentuated Russian combat doctrine (wall of humanity) extremely well.
In short, no, the PPSh did not suck dick, you just don't know much about WWII weaponry.
Thatevilmidget 4 days ago
it's only a 9mm, don't be so afraid of it...
caseyreavis 1 week ago
En oo asiantuntija, mutta mun mielest toi ei oo suomi-konepistoolii nähnykkää!
I think that's not the Suomi submachine gun!
Vichy112 1 week ago
@killekojootti fucking retard
TheLukiohinttari 2 weeks ago