Dial vs. Elect / Digital Safe Locks

http://www.deansafe.com Dial vs. Elect / Digital Safe "grade 1" Locks. If you're buying a safe (especially a GunSafe) you should know this information. Why are some Mfg's only offering "U.L. Grade 1" Elect / digital locks on their safes now? Is the dial lock dead? No, not yet but it's bleeding profusely.

Hi, my name is John Dean and this is my daughter, Jackie -- Hello. What we want to do today is show you some of the differences between a standard group two combination dial lock, and a high security electronic lock. Okay, let me get my glasses on here, you do not need that with a digital. Um ... are you ready Jackie?

Hands on the safe. Go! Four times to the left to my first number, sixteen, three to the right, fifty two. Pass it once, pass it twice, sneak up on it. To the left twice to eighty one. There is once twice, go back to the right got it.

Now that is just a short demonstration, you can see that the digital lock is considerably faster. Some of the other advantages to the digital lock is, I do not need my reading glasses to get it open. It does take batteries, they are loadable from the outside. We were told by the factories to replace the battery every year, but we are finding that they last three four, even five, or six years which is amazing not only are they quicker, you can change, and put in your own combination, and you can do it all by yourself. You will be the only
person in the whole world that knows it.

With a dial lock, you have to hire somebody to come out and do it, it is a fairly complex procedure. With this it is so easy, you can change it every single day. I don't need my reading glasses I don't have to worry so much about light. If you can find the keypad you can open it up. So you don't have to turn the lights on to do it.

There is a lot of tremendous advantages to Keypad, they are very, very user-friendly. As far as security goes, there are a lot of the old timers out there, who think that the dial lock is better. Actually it is not. This is a group
two lock. It can be manipulated in eleven to fifteen minutes by a professional. There are not a lot of those running around, but it can be done. The digital lock the average estimated time for manipulation is twenty seven years, because, it will use one million full possible combinations, minus one, and in addition to that there are six or seven quality digital locks out there. They are called Grade One locks. Much higher security than a group two.

Because of the high manipulation resistance. Drill points are very vague compared with the dial lock. Remember the dial lock was made in the civil war, that was the first one, and it remains virtually unchanged. Trust these new electronic locks. Eighty percent of the safes we are selling have them. We think they are wonderful, it solves a lot of problems. I want to thank you very much for this moment, and hope you have a good day.

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[richardoky]

Actually what I think is the most important thing about a home safe is securing the safe so that it can't be removed easily. A lot of safes are delivered with a metal skid to make them easy to deliver, and a lot of people leave the skid on them which would allow some one to get a dolly under one and move it out of the house.

[DeanSafe]

@richardoky Well said, any safe under 750lbs should be bolted down. And never ever keep the safe on the skids/pallet, that's just used to make it easy to move. you may as well put it on the curb with a free sign on it.

Thank you,

John

[cpovey1]

My worry is what happens when the batteries corrode-and they all will with time. Seriously, I'm asking-I want to know.

[DeanSafe]

@cpovey1 Good qustion, battery's do leak and corrode from time to time. The good news is we've never seen one that's so bad it it runes the keypad. Just pull the battery, clean the connector that the battery snaps into, I put a dab of oil and then wipe off and that's it, just like new. Don't for get to put in a new battery.

thanks,

John

[7807edwards]

Give me a old dial. I'm looking for protection against the burglar. Not some FBI CIA attack. Unless your an tinfoil hat type the tried and true group 2 is just fine. If not a electronic lock ain't gonna help you anyway.

[DeanSafe]

@7807edwards Odd as it may sound we've found some customers have so much trouble opening their dial locks they avoid it by leaving them on day-lock or using the key lock dial instead of spinning the dial. Used properly, dials are fine but used like that, well why buy a safe at all. FBI & CIA attacks or not, digital locks are just easier for the "muggles" to use and the Tinfoil hats guys can change their combo ever day if they like. Me I just can't see the numbers on the dial.

[richardoky]

@cpovey1

I have use a thermal lance once and it would cut and burn any thing up. They are usually used to cut steal around 1 foot thick, Actually if I had to get into a safe I have I would use a cut off saw (saw that uses a thin friction wheel) would take a lot longer then a plasma torch but would be a clean cut and I could weld the panel I cut off back on and the safe would be good as new.

[cpovey1]

I think I screwed up. They used some kind of thermal lance, not a plasma cutter. My bad.

[richardoky]

@cpovey1

I couldn't find the mythbuster's episode you mentioned but I have used plasma torches many times and the two layers of half inch drywall they use in a lot of safes is more then adequate, a plasma torch also blows a lot of air cooling as it cuts one of the benefits of a plasma torch is it doesn't warp sheet metal as you cut it.

[cpovey1]

Nice ide, but the plasma torch thing will fry everything inside. They did this on Mythbusters and everything inside was crispy.

[lp1guy]

@cpovey1 A good question! I have a keypad it works fantastic! I would say that when you see the keypad wearing you could change your number. My Cannon has a lifetime warranty for anything!! Read up on it I'm sure if a keypad wore out that would be covered too. and when the battery gets low it tells you in advance. Hope this helps! Good luck MP3

[Cornelisons]

That was a well done and very informative video. Thanks!

[fike301]

My S&G electronic lock has been working flawless for 3yrs thus far.....normally use it one to three times daily.