Atheism, Animal Rights And Ethical Veganism (2/2)

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[vappole]

Here is a good reason not to eat meat: because it creates suffering of sentient beings.

The evolution argument is not consistent: we have not evolved to use computers, nor to live in houses, nor to take medicines or to live till we are 80, yet we do so.

[devourerofbabies]

I agree with Matt that it's not so much the eating of meat that's unethical, it's the means by which you obtain it. However, I'd like to challenge Matt on how he obtains his meat. Do you wander the highways with a spatula looking for a roadkill dinner Matt? I suspect you buy some meat from the supermarket.

[jsamari]

Humans evolved to digest meat? If we ate it raw, we'd get sick. We can't even chew it raw. But EVERY OTHER meat eater on this planet doesn't have to cook their meat??? Every other meat eater is born with teeth and claws for hunting. And how is taking an action (eating meat) until someone demonstrates why you shouldn't, default? NOT TAKING AN ACTION is default. That's like believing in a god until someone demonstrates why you shouldn't. derp Matt

[IndieAnthias]

You have opinions where facts should be, so I can't agree to disagree with you.

[IndieAnthias]

so "might makes right" implies a duty, and hunting for population control nullifies the environmental issue of commercial meat production. kthanxbai.

[alexholmes1541993]

Sharks do not have any notion of right or wrong. We do. There's the difference.

[alexholmes1541993]

Just because something is natural, or comes naturally, does not mean it is correct.

[naturalistmind]

I am a vegan, for the not wanting to cause pain to animals thing. If there was a humane and more eco friendly way to kill animals then i might go back to eating meat. However from what i know it is more sustainable to be on a plant based diet. On that note with the internet i am not sure which facts that support veganism are facts and which are propaganda spread by groups like PETA.

[parodita]

And the environmental thing the guy meant , is that all the transportation of the animals (wich is also cruel) from such long distances, generates contamination that wouldn't generate if the food was local, all of the farming industry, generates a lot, so people chosing a product that is not local such a farmed animal meat, is contributing to it, If people chose to eat local products, it would be a different story, not that many people can chose, but still.That's a fact

[parodita]

I would have answered him because animal cruelty, I used to say, well yeah animals are killed, that's the process that has to happen to get what I eat. Animals just don't get killed, they are breeded for it, they suffer in the process of the growth, where they are fed with substances to make them unnaturally bigger, and the conditions they live in are just inhumane , it's not a way to live, and certainly they way most of them die, the only relief they have is, horrendous as well.

[weelittledragon]

@Evan2718281828 Rest assured, I don't think anyone is going to judge vegans based on this guy alone, unless they already have something against vegans to begin with. I'm not a vegan myself, but I respect the choice of people who are.

[vappole]

The argument on weather animals hunting animals is moral or not is interesting. Morality pends on the assumption on having a choice: we have the choice to cheat or not to cheat on a school exam, we have the choice to discriminate gay people or not to discriminate, we have the choice to be cruel to animals or not to be. Morality is an attribute to the choice that we make.