Frank Peretti--The Chair

Philosophical lecture concerning a fixed point of reference. Relativism, subjectivism, and absolutism. Quirky, even strange, but funny; Frank Peretti, Christian author explains it well in this short taken from the full length version.

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[lajorn]

for some wierd reason i love his voice. its so wierd

[SongofSongs8]

@TwentyYearDenial

Human beings are naturally sinful, not moral or good. We have a moral compass but it is still our choice whether or not to follow it. Would you say that mankind, by our own nature, have made the right decisions, the good choices. If you say yes, think about Hitler. Think about criminals. Really, is it easier to do we what we want, even if it's wrong, or to do something right, even when it's difficult? I'm a Christian, but I still fall into sin because...

[ThePatrickFamilyBand]

Best Christian author.

[GreenCures]

Thank you for posting! Peretti is my favorite christian fiction writer ~ good stuff.

I am an a Christian working on my 1st major novel ~ this helped, I get it... the

point-of-reference ----> with regard to world view. If you pay attention to his novels, they ALL have that "fixed" point-of-reference, CONSISTENCY in views.

You **KNEW** Frank was introducing Christian characters because of how they stayed in that consistency! It wasn't like in worldly commercial "christianity"

great post

[80srama1]

@SongofSongs8 But mankind on its own nature, has made both bad AND good decisions, with or without the King James Bible as its guiding beacon. Plus Hitler was not offering moral relativism; the Third Reich provided an orthodoxy and a compass of its own. But if your moral compass is the same one that can lead someone like Texe Marrs to declare the holocaust is part of a Jewish hoax, then heed my words: get a better compass.

[80srama1]

@mrchaucer Unfortunately, it is pariahs like Medved who set themselves up as authorities of the truth, not me. Medved was a major reason I became an atheist (and you've helped me admirably in that direction too). But really- "it doesn't matter what seems to be rather what is." Pardon my epistemology, but what seems to you as progression of thought, is in fact a naive best-selling author leading the blind. Try getting your own eyes checked before telling an ex-Christian what is and isn't.

[80srama1]

@mrchaucer "Neither you nor I get to make the standard by which right and wrong are determined, or in this specific case, by which possession is determined." So who does set the standard anyway? Augustine? Aquinas? Calvin? Erasmus? Milton? Spurgeon? Ned Flanders? WELL WHO? PROVIDE PROOF WHILE YOU"RE AT IT!! Oh, and who's the authority on possession anyways? Peretti? Linda Blair? Or who would you trust to determine if an exorcism was real or phoney? The Catholic Church or Skeptical Inquirer?

[mrchaucer]

BTW...if we are using the ability to speak "good english" as a litmus to determine possession, then a large portion of Western society would qualify as possessed. Another aspect of this would be the logical fallacy of a straw man. Neither you nor I get to make the standard by which right and wrong are determined, or in this specific case, by which possession is determined. What matters is what is...the actuality of reality...not what "seems to be" or what you or I "think".

[mrchaucer]

@80srama1 You put people's names up as if they somehow are the authorities of truth. People are fallible and the fact of the matter is that I could care less what Michael Medved says unless he has sound logic to support what he says. Peretti's 'unsupported statements' were anything but unsupported. He illustrated the logical progression of thought to support his conclusion. No...I don't think he seemed 'possessed'...goofy...yes. But it doesn't matter what seems to be but rather what is.

[80srama1]

@mrchaucer "No proof, no evidence, and no reasoning for anyone to believe you or take you seriously." Well, that should teach me to emulate Michael Medved. Or would Mr Chaucer prefer I jump around in front of a paying audience, making goofy sounds and simple unsupported 'statments' laden with assumptions and a chair for reference? Also, don't you think Peretti in this seminar comes across as if he's possessed? After all, he doesn't speak good english either.

[80srama1]

@mrchaucer "No proof, no evidence, and no reasoning for anyone to believe you or take you seriously." Well, that should teach me to emulate Michael Medved. Or would Mr Chaucer prefer I jump around in front of a paying audience, making goofy sounds and simple unsupported 'statments' laden with assumptions and a chair for reference? Also, don't you think Peretti in this seminar almost seems possessed. After all, he doesn't speak good english either.

[80srama1]

@mrchaucer "You gave nothing more than simple unsupported 'statements' laden with assumptions... No proof, no evidence, and no reasoning for anyone to believe you or take you seriously."

Well, I was trying to emulate Michael Medved's style. Or would you prefer I provide no proof or no evidence similar to Peretti, who makes goofy sound effects while jumping around in front of an audience. Say, do you think Peretti himself is possessed? He doesn't speak good english either.