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[MrMaDelirious]

ATHEISTS LOGIC ACCORDING TO ME: MAGIC MONKEYS CLIMBED OUT OF THE TREES AND THEY WERE THERE TO EXPERIENCE THIS PROCESS AS HUMAN BEINGS. THEY ALSO EXPERIENCE THE BIG BANG. THEY ALSO BELIEVE IN GUESSES JUST AS MUCH AS A RELIGIOUS PERSON DOES, HMMMM! ACCORDING TO DARWIN'S THEORIES ( GUESSES ) UNICORNS COULD HAVE EXISTED ACCORDING TO EVOLUTION OF HORSES.

[Daghead]

Woah great music.

[MrLittletomdj]

@steveoho Well, I disagree on virtually every one of your most recent points. I'll entertain a discussion via PM as requested. This discussion has miandered in the comments section long enough. I'd like to flesh out some of the things I've written anyway. Be warned though, my PMs are long!

[steveoho]

@MrLittletomdj As to unelected authority... though he could say I made you and everything you have (including the intelligence you're using to argue with me) is from Him. He has a right to do with that which is his just as it is ours to cut down a tree that we don't want or could use. Yet He is good, patient not wanting any to perish. He offers eternal life (knowing and being in fellowship with God) to those who'd trust Him. He grants those who refuse their right to go to hell

[steveoho]

@MrLittletomdj On morality & slavery.

If you want to carry the mutual beneficial argument you could say the master clothes/feeds/cares for them and they in turn do labor (sort of like we have no problem using work animals)... or you could simply ask what is deserved at which point everyone, but the theist must make something up. You know the truth (that all have intrinsic value), but you must arrive there some other way (and maybe fudge when you don't like all its entanglements)

[steveoho]

@MrLittletomdj The term for slaves used for Christians is bond servant... sim to slaves set free in the OT who then chose to become part of the master's household. As to other slavery I've already said that God's priority is to set you free in your heart first... though first you'd have to realize that your heart is "deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked".

As to the Mat21/Mark11 they are in ref to fulfilled prophecy "den of thieves" "zealous for my house".

[steveoho]

@MrLittletomdj Luke claims to be second hand and is the most detailed and well backed on details. John's author claims first hand. And all external evidence points to the apostle Matthew writing Matthew and Peter, through Mark, writing Mark. You can also look at Paul's writing and see evidence of 1 Cor 15:3-8 shows early evidence of a tradition that places within just a short period of Jesus' death. Also, no contradictions.

[steveoho]

@MrLittletomdj I'm not sure what you mean by rips off Josephus or the Roman war. If you're talking about the temple being destroyed then you're beginning with the assumption that miracles don't/can't happen rather than on evidence. The spread of the documents and the ability to compare differences among documents allows us to piece the originals and show timelines.

As to the synoptics I'll admit that its possible they compared notes, but that isn't proven. 90% overestimates it

[MrLittletomdj]

@steveoho (ouch 3 parts =/). Morality & slavery.

Are you being serious?

An unelected authority is a dictatorship & NO it's not mutually beneficial to the slave ever. There's an objective truth that no sane man wants to suffer. And no sane man that is not suffering wants to die. Inflicting suffering & death=bad. It's that simple. Society is little more than a social contract between people who reap the benefits from it. dictatorship encourages dissent. I can't believe you wrote that.

[MrLittletomdj]

@steveoho Eye witnesses? Then why are they exclusively written from a third person perpective? Mathew & Luke where plagiarized from Mark (90% in Mathews case, who's Author was doing little more than correcting the countless geographical & historical errors). Mark (the oldest of the four) & was written no earlier than 70AD as it talks about the Jewish war with Rome. Luke rips off Josephus which places him at least 100AD. They contradict each other.& none claim to be 1st hand testimony.