The Fine Tuning Game

A game for Brock (Atheist Antidote) or any theist who thinks the Fine-tuning argument has some merit.

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• Antichryst666
• Atheist
• Antidote
• fine
• tuning
• argument
• game
• theist
• Brock
• Lawley

[lfzadra]

That´s easy. If your bag of deities is a fair bag, it should include an infinite number of gods, because we can postulate an infinite number of gods that could have brought the Universe into being. So the chances are 1/infinity, wich is zero (or curves to zero). Problem solved. Being myself an atheist, I can´t reclaim your soul, so, convert yourself to anything godless. Veganism, perhaps. Cheers.

[Antichryst666]

@lfzadra You make the assumption that there is an infinite amount of possibilities, but there may only be one. You have no way of knowing the actual probability, because you do not have enough info about how many tiles are in the bag or how likely #'s may be. Fine tuning as well. We can't say what the probability is, that the constants of nature would have certain values, because we don't know IF they could be different, or how likely certain values may be. We only have 1 example in hand.

[SonistheFatherofMan]

You don't give enough information but I can still provide solutions. If all of the tiles contain the same #, then the probability of choosing a tile with that number is 1. However,if each tile contains a different #, then the probability of choosing a tile with a different # from the one that you stated is x-1/x (where x is the total # of tiles). Welcome to the faith brother. G-d bless you.

[Antichryst666]

LOL....yeah, ok. I said I was looking for the exact probability, not an equation with variables. You were correct when you said that I did not give you enough information. This is the point of the video. You cannot know what the propability of the next draw is because you cannot know how many tiles are in the bag, or even how many of them might contain the same number. This is also true with the Fine-tuning argument.

[Antichryst666]

You cannot know what the propability is of the universe having the values it does, for the constants in question, when all you have is the one example that is known to us. There very well MIGHT be an unbelievable amount of variables that those constants COULD be, but there is no way of knowing that. There is simply not enough information to say what the propabilities are, which is what the Fine-tuning argument hinges on. If someone says that the values of the constants we have are unlikely...

[Antichryst666]

...they are making an assumption or guess at what those values COULD be. Also, even IF we could prove that they COULD be different, there may be only a certain range that is possible, AND the values in the possible range wouldn't even be neccessarily equally probable. There may be one, or some, that may be alot more probable than the others that are possible. Thanks for playing though. I don't see Theism in my immediate future. LOL

[TheReasonWhyGuy]

The universe isn't fine tuned for life,

life is fine tuned to the universe.

[DyfnalltDH]

err that is of a course a figure of speech

[jaykgrey]

Correction: we are assuming that there are at least two tiles. There can be an infinite amount and 50% will still hold because this is probability. If you were to ask what the exact distribution of 666 in the bag, the question is entirely different, and you wouldn't know.

[jaykgrey]

@Antichryst666

Probability is a human invention used to create predictions with known variables. You appear to believe that it's an actual something. The fact is, there is an exact probability we can calculate for the next being anything but 666 because we know that there are two tiles, and that 1 tile is 666. It's not a strong assertion, but it's still 50%. I am not a theist.

[HimesInu]

Since we only have knowledge of #666, seeing as you haven't given us any more information (and I'm sure I'm the millionth person to do so), I will say the percentage is 100 that you pull out #666 because it is the only number in the bag.

Not a theist, but it was hard for me not to answer this.

[magx01]

@randomizationclassic

No problem. My comment could easily have been misconstrued. And you were right.

[randomizationclassic]

@magx01

Ah, alright. Sorry for taking you so seriously, then.