Bryan Chapell - Is Baptism Necessary For Salvation?
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@max2right What are you basing your idea of "immoral" upon? Because if God doesn't exist, and the Bible is fictional, where did your idea of what is moral and what isn't come from? If this is the case, then my morals could be just as justified as your morals, even if mine seemed entirely immoral to you.
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@max2right Human and animal sacrifice is immoral thus your religion is immoral. What a prick that god is. We are all lucky such a blood thirsty megalomaniac is fictional.
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@max2right HAHA!! Well you're right that it's filled with killing, and torturous executions and so forth but the sole purpose for Christians is to die to OURSELVES and be made alive in Christ DAILY. Sin is evil my friend and God and Heaven are absolutely real. WE are the ones who are filled with cruel and horrible acts. NOT GOD. This world is going to pass away but God's kingdom is forever. There's alot we don't know but we will if you believe in God and his son Jesus.
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The idea that one can gain a second life by human sacrifice is immoral, barbaric and reprehensible. The bible is so filled with killing, cruel and torturous executions and unrelenting vindictiveness that it should be x rated. Christianity is nothing more than a death cult glorifying the destruction of the planet as a means to visit an imaginary god in an imaginary paradise. That’s as evil and downright insane as it gets.
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I loved how you said, "It's necessary, but it's not going to make you a Christian."
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Water baptism has no power to save me eternally or make me right before God. Yet, Christ commanded belief AND baptism with a promise of salvation. (Mark 16:16) To obey Christ's command to be baptized does not treat His blood as unholy or insufficient. In fact, just the opposite is true. We must trust His blood to wash away our sins, and we demonstrate that trust by obeying our Lord. It is not enough to simply believe Jesus is the Son of God (James 2:19)--we must obey Him too! (John 3:36)
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@7thThunder You're not booking some bus ticket to Atlantic City, we're talking about you eternal salvation. You better be like the Bereans (Acts 17:11-12) and have a healthy skepticism. Just don't take someones word for it. Look at what God says not what some man says. If you reach the word you better be able to back up everything you say in black an white. The Word of God is the ultimate authority not your local preacher.
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Paul - Acts 22:16 16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
The jailer - Acts 16:33 33At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his family were baptized.
Should we just scratch out Mark 16:16?
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Paul Acts 22:16 16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
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@7thThunder I answered your question
Look at Matthew 28:18-20 - 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them ina the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Chapell makes it clear that he's not talking about water baptism... He's talking about the baptism of the holy spirit, which is obviously necessary.
therexCo 2 years ago 4