The Gospel According to the Heretic Pelagius (WHI)

WARNING: Jesse Morrell who is here on Youtube under the screen name of BibleTheology ( http://youtube.com/user/BibleTheology ) is a vigorous proponent of Pelagian's heresies. He has such an affinity for Pelagius and his heresies that he is on record for saying,

"I think some people will be surprised when they see that Charles Finney is in Heaven but Augustine and John Calvin are in hell."

He then provides an example of what the logical outcome of Pelagianism will lead a person to (self-righteousness):

"Honestly, my heart is right before God."

Here, we learn that the heart which is "deceitful above all things and desperately wicked" of which the Holy Spirit inspired Jeremiah to ask the rhetorical question, "Who can know it?" (Jer. 17:9) has apparently been figured out by Mr. Morrell as evidenced by his claim that he knows his heart is right before God. You can read these quotes here for yourself along with others he has made: http://youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=Ff1l_xqSTJI&fromurl...

Beware of the theology put forth by his Youtube channel. It is not Biblical.


Pelagianism is a theological theory named after Pelagius (ca. 354 -- ca. 420/440). It is the belief that original sin did not taint human nature (which God called very good), and that mortal will is still capable of choosing good or evil without Divine aid. Thus, Adam's sin was "to set a bad example" for his progeny, but his actions did not have the other consequences imputed to Original Sin. Pelagianism views the role of Jesus as "setting a good example" for the rest of humanity (thus counteracting Adam's bad example). In short, humanity has full control, and thus full responsibility, for its own salvation in addition to full responsibility for every sin (the latter insisted upon by both proponents and opponents of Pelagianism). According to Pelagian doctrine, because humanity does not require God's grace for salvation (beyond the creation of will), Jesus' execution is devoid of the redemptive quality ascribed to it by orthodox Christian theology.

- Wikipedia (pelagianism)


Here's Augustine's Anti-Pelagian writings for free download:
http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf105.html

Here are the creeds of the Council of Orange who condemned Pelagius' teachings:
http://www.creeds.net/ancient/orange.htm


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[SuperDonster]

I've debated over and over w/ppl who refuse to believe tht we have to be saved FIRST before we will believe in Christ. They just don't want to hear it. The best way I've found to debate this subject is by quoting 1Cor12:3 and then Jhn3:15-16 . You can clearly read that 1Cor12:3 comes BEFORE Jhn3:15-16 because we can't believe in Christ UNTIL we receive the Holy Ghost. Another example is to quote Jhn6:44 THEN Jhn6:35. No man can come unless the Father draws him, and whosoever comes will be saved.

[fernieboy100]

I think its better to be out there preaching than having foolish debates. Jesse Morrell is an awesome peacher.

[Strefanasha]

we are all pelagians at heart- our express doctrines make no difference. If we force ourtselves to do "good works" then we are legalists then we are pelagians

[rtslayer]

@payn3a91 Not gonna call you crazy but... what he is saying isn't that we always have sin, in fact he explains clearly that if we confess/repent our sins God will forgive us and cleanse us (at this point we would be clean and blameless before him). However we have all sinned and if we say we haven't then we deceive ourselves...

It means the same as the beginning of verse 10. If we claim not to have sinned (as in ever). 8&10 both address our claim and then how they relate to 8-ourselves, 10-God

[aba37]

I like this video. Is has redefined semi-pelagianism more for me. I tend to believe in semi-pelagianism. No original sin, free will and grace for repentance for "personal sins". Adam and Eve sin seems more mythological. They are even found in the Tale of Gilgamesh which predates the bible. Their existence could have been fabricated. Adam and Eve contradicts the the Book of John where it reads Jesus was the light of men in the world not adam.

[payn3a91]

"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:8

Call me crazy (or a heretic), but I think what John is saying here is that if we say we have no sin, then we are deceiving ourselves and the truth isn't in us.

[theembracedofgod]

@droptozro

"it has no bearing in the early church or scripture" - I'd love to know what your talking about and why it is so- but your still committing the fallacy of "bias/subjective opinion"

I'm not asking for a full debate- I'm just asking to prove at least one of your assertions so it doesn't look like your "trolling"videos in ignorance. I'm actually helping you out here.

you gave me a couple of scriptures- I've already addressed one- I"m just waiting for a rebuttal.

[theembracedofgod]

@droptozro

Ok, I'd love to respond to all of your assertions but let us deal with what you have given from the start shall we?

I'd like to deal with one issue at a time as you raise them for clarification... because when you go off on tangents then thats when confusion comes in and usually misconceptions are easy to make.

[theembracedofgod]

@droptozro

Ok you said EZekiel 18 is a "clear" refutation of Total depravity. I don't see how this text refutes anything of Total depravity- This text is speaks of God telling the children of Israel not to use a "proverb" when dealing with their forefathers because they are using this "proverb" as an excuse to not carry on as God's chosen people (vs 3). I think a lot of people have overlooked this scripture without understanding its context. before you disprove TD, could you tell me what it is?

[droptozro]

@theembracedofgod

This is just one point that falls out under consistency, and it has no bearing in the early church or Scripture, except in light of the heretics. I already told you though, I'm not going to get into a full on debate. I have videos, and favorites, and have already believed many of the lies of Calvinism within my past of being Christian. This will be my last reply on this, no matter if you reply or not. God Bless. Remember if one point falls, they all fall.