Dragon Age Origins - Party Dialog - Loghain & Dog #1

Who knew he had a soft spot for dogs? These are my favorite Loghain party dialogs :)

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• Dragon Age Origins
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[curlytoes79]

and grumpy Loghain's story comes to light...someone took his doggy when he was a baby... :(

[enterprise0709]

Ferelden and Orlais. It are Medieval England and France .

They DO NOT like each other ONE BIT!

[MsSkywalka]

pls guys somone tell me..... how does he get loghain at his party and where is he?????

[drezzerXD]

That is the weirdest party ever. Dog, Shale and Loghain :D

[chochang85]

@StillEternity2 thats ma'am to you. unless you mean 'ser' in a non-gender specific way :)

[StillEternity2]

@chochang85

You sir win the Awesomest post Ever award. Good On you mate. 

[chochang85]

pt 6 That pple even argue over this is testimony to the brilliant writing done at Bioware. Great men make great mistakes unfortunately, they are just human after all. - end Loghain rant. Wow, 6 parts! I love this game so much, can you tell? xD

[chochang85]

@chochang85 Pt 5 In spite of it all,I still execute Loghain at every Landsmeet (I love him to death, literally lol). He must have known what he was doing was wrong, hence having to frame someone else (the Warden) for the loss at ostagar. If he was truly convinced that there was no other way, why not tell the Banns the truth after Ostagar, that Cailan had a foolish plan & that it could never work? By covering up one mistake with more mistakes he effectively wrote his own death sentence.

[chochang85]

@chochang85 part 4 As much as Maric was loved by his people, ppl looked to loghain to defend them. He was only doing what he deemed necessary at Ostagar (discounting any arguments frm Cailan to look to the Orlesians for support due to his understandable hatred) 4) his love for his country superseded everything else - he even forfeited marrying the woman he loved (Rowan) and convinced her to marry his best friend (maric).

[chochang85]

@chochang85 part 3 Altho MAric was rightly king, anyone who has read the books would know that the true hero in 'The Stolen Throne' is Loghain. He was a brilliant tactician and an excellent warrior. Even in 'The Calling', he came to Maric's rescue due to his gut instinct that Orlesians cannot be trusted (including Grey Wardens). Time and again, his instinct proved accurate. Why should Ostagar be any different? Just as before, his entire country was depending on him for survival-and not the King

[chochang85]

@chochang85 Putting aside my indignance at being wronged at the hands of loghain during my first playthru, I realised that there were many reasons why he acted as he did. 1) as pointed out by many, his hatred for the orlesians - this is understandable when looked thru the WW2-german lense and relating them to our grandparents. 2) Loghain is someone who acts on gut instinct - and that instinct has served both him n his country well agst the orlesians.

[chochang85]

Part 1 - I couldn't help but put in my two cents' worth on loghain after reading the thread below. I can't help but think that this is exactly what the writers at Bioware were aiming at when they created the chars in DAO. WHat's most impt in analysing the chars esp Loghain is to realise that one cannot examine them thru a monochrome lense - where everything is either black or white. Loghain is a very complex char that can only be fully understood thru the 2 books.

[ruskiangel]

loghain was so retarded because flemeth predicted that he couldnt be trusted and told king maric, he was trying to prove her wrong but in doing so proved her right... funny how the world works. it was in the dragon age prequel books if you wanna know the whole thing

[psychee1]

@erd249 What he did at Lothering I can both understand and sympathize with. Can't say for certain it was the right call but I understand the idea behind it. Everything he did after that were undisputed warcrimes, no objections there.

[erd249]

@psychee1 He still sold some of the people under his care into slavery, let all of Cailan's troops get slaughtered, let that asp of a man Rendon Howe have power, and tried to have Arl Eamon poisoned. Not to mention tried to have the only people in the goddamn country who could really help killed. His crimes can be explained, but not justified.

[shiromori]

@goldenbulletwolf666 Obviously, we aren't going to convince each other, so let's just not talk about it anymore. I'm happy we've been able to have a civil conversation, so let's drop it there.

[shiromori]

@goldenbulletwolf666 Genevieve said a lot of things to justify her actions, but in the end, she was not protecting anyone. She undertook the mission for her own personal reasons relating to her brother. Even her own companions accused her of this. Yes, Duncan didn't betray Maric, so there was nothing to blame him for. However, that doesn't change what Genevieve did and what she tried to do, and the idea was planted in Loghain's mind that the Wardens were not to be trusted, rightly or not.

[shiromori]

@goldenbulletwolf666 I'm not discussing whether or not Genevieve was right to make the choice she did. All I'm saying is that, to someone outside of the order (and, clearly, even to those within it - like Duncan) like Loghain, this looks like a betrayal. Coupled with the fact that some of those same wardens sided with Darkspawn (the Architect) - the very enemies they're supposed to protect against - it doesn't paint a flattering picture to someone looking in from the outside.

[shiromori]

@goldenbulletwolf666 I'm not talking about Remille. The wardens had their own plan to kill Maric before he could tell anyone what had happened in the Deep Roads. Genevieve charged Duncan with killing Maric if he should see anything that would reflect badly on the wardens (which, obviously, he did). This plan was in place before she even met the Architect. Later, she wanted him dead so that he couldn't jeopardize the Architect's plan, but the original plan was all hers.

[shiromori]

@unsteddy Dunno, but it's nice, isn't it?

[shiromori]

@goldenbulletwolf666 I'll grant you that perhaps the Architect had manipulated Genevieve, Bregan, and Utha by telling them certain things and not others, but he was not controlling them by any means. Each of them chose of their own free will to go along with his plan. Furthermore, even before siding with the Architect, Genevieve showed herself willing to kill Maric to protect her own interests. Witness the conversation she had with Duncan when they first went into the Deep Roads.

[unsteddy]

@shiromori I'm sure the desiegners made it opinionated on purpose, although I agree about Eamon, lol.

hm, we have been debating for about 5 posts now, why haven't we been insulted by some random yet?

[shiromori]

@goldenbulletwolf666 That isn't entirely true. Remille, the (Orlesian) First Enchanter was involved in a separate plot to hand Maric over the Orlesian emperor, and he used the Architect to further his own ends, but Bregan, Genevieve, and Utha were perfectly prepared to kill Maric, and they were all wardens, having nothing to do with the mages' conspiracy.

[shiromori]

@goldenbulletwolf666 I know that. I'm not suggesting they did. I'm just saying that public opinion was against the wardens in Ferelden at the time. However, the incident with Maric occured in 9:14 Dragon (roughly), only sixteen years prior to the events of the game. This is no longer a 200 year old offence we're talking about. This is something that happened within recent memory, and this was Loghain's only personal experience with the wardens up to the point of the game's events.

[shiromori]

@goldenbulletwolf666 Loghain's hatred for the wardens isn't entirely due to them being Orlesian. The Wardens were originally kicked out of Ferelden for interfering in Ferelden politics and starting a rebellion (Soldier's Peak DLC), so that was already on his mind. Furthermore, King Maric allowed a small group of wardens to return to Ferelden and some of them went rogue and tried to kill him ("The Calling" novel). It was only incidental that those wardens were also Orlesian.