Three-Point News Bulletin for the Mocking Critics of Christianity

By Frank Turek, from CrossExamined.org/solution.asp;
Article, 'Turning the Table on the Atheist'

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[naejimba]

1. How can "not something" be at the same time "something?" Atheists cannot be religious because atheism is not being religious.

2. We cannot be fundamentalists because atheism has no dogma we can strictly adhere to.

3. If you alter the definition of faith to what you want, then yes, you can get it to fit what you will. It is a strong belief without ANY evidence. Ours is not necessarily a strong belief, and does not carry a burden of proof to require evidence.

[4EverLoveAmbassador]

1. Atheism, by definition is, "the doctrine or belief that there is no God." Theism, by definition,"belief in the existence of a god or gods." And you think Atheism isn't being religious? Theism and Atheism are just as much as being religious.

We could go off on the definition of religion, but, heck, it's happened in previous comments with other people :]

[Cont.]

[NoGuff]

Great points.

Everyone is religious. Some people's religion is global warming. For some, it's Leftist hate-philosophy. And for others its simply self-worship as a God of their own definition.

[naejimba]

@eatyerbeans, not neccesarily. There are two definitions there. The first is an agnostic atheist, and the second applies only to a strong atheist. They are two very different positions to hold. I personally choose the former.

[naejimba]

@4EverLoveAmbassador, a lack of belief. Atheism is to religion as bald is to a hair color.

[eatyerbeans]

@naejimba M-W Dictionary. Religion: #4 A cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith. Atheism: #1 A disbelief in the existence of a deity. #2 The doctrine that there is no deity. You either reject the existence of a deity/deities or you're not an atheist.

[naejimba]

(cont) position for them. When you do so erronously, as you have done, you commit a straw man. Furthermore, to elaborate on atheistic "dogma" where do you get this from? We have no book to tell us how to live our life, no moral code... it literally has no rules that come with it. All atheism is is not believing in theistic claims. That's it. Again, you cannot define your opponent's position.. especially when you do so to attempt to fit your argument. It is flawed logic, simply put.

[naejimba]

@eatyerbeans, wrong, wrong, and wrong. I'm sorry but reality disagrees with you. Does Elvis tell you how to live your life? Do people take there morals from Elvis? Do they meet once a week to WORSHIP him as a deity? No. It is FAR from being religious. Elvis has no dogma. Neither does atheism. You commit a straw man here. I do not, nor have ever said "there is no god" all I am saying is I don't believe in him. I'm not making any claim at all. You cannot attempt to define your opponent's (cont)

[eatyerbeans]

@naejimba You are limiting definitions to suit yours. There is religious devotion to Elvis, John Lennon, and any number of persons past and present. Atheism has both a claim and a dogma; "There is no God".

[naejimba]

@eatyerbeans, elvis does not have "religious" followers in that they do not worship him as a deity. You are merely toying with definitions to fit your argument. Atheism does not have any dogma, it is simply lacking belief in god. Furthermore, the burden of proof IS different for someone if they are not making a claim, and therefore, do not have the burden of proof to begin with.

[naejimba]

@4EverLoveAmbassador, atheism does not require any faith. How hard is that to get through your thick skull? We don't have the burden of proof, therefore, it cannot be faith. Again, you commit a straw man, a logical fallacy.

[naejimba]

@4EverLoveAmbassador, "something coming from nothing" is merely a straw man... which is.. a logical fallacy.