Slow and controlled first pull?

Slow and controlled first pull?

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[sklim2009]

It's not on FFwd it's Perepetchonov.

[SMILLERELEC]

Triple Extension. What a joke, when are americans going to learn? Kakhi hardly elevates his heals. It's about applying as much force through your center of into the ground-then pulling yourself under the bar while it is on the rise. If you elevate onto the toes and continue to lift the back with a pull you over extended yourself which will result in the bar rising and descending and you playing catch-up. People who follow this strategy call it a drop under or dive under. NOT Efficient

[LayEmOut60]

@frontsquats It's amazing the wealth of information some of those papers and studies can provide.

[frontsquats]

@LayEmOut60 You are exactly right. The ankle does not have to be fully plantarflexed (up on balls of feet) for it to be counted a triple extension.

Mathematical modeling and movement simulation in weight lifting—Toward the

further improvement of the aim technique for the Olympic snatch). Leipzig: Res.

Institute Phys. Cult. & Sport (Dissertation). 1989.

^^ This paper claims that ankle movement can contribute up to 10% of the bar velocity.

[frontsquats]

@SMILLERELEC Triple extension = hip ext, knee ext, and ankle ext (plantar flexion). Although the ankle does not fully extend, the clean and snatch still have ankle extension. The ankle goes from pretty much full dorsiflexion at the beginning of the lift to a neutral or less dorsiflexed position. The motion is still extension of the ankle joint.

The squat and deadlift are triple extension exercises. The ankle does not have to fully extend (plantarflex) for it to be counted as triple extension.

[atromos]

@SMILLERELEC you don't honestly think all americans are given the same education do you? when are foreigners going to learn to stop blanketing nations with some sort of distributed knowledge.

[spartan1081990]

mother of all niggers, and I think I look cool when I snatch 135

[mattiussi11]

@LayEmOut60 I understand that the degree that peoples toes rise off the floor differs but yes i would count that as a triple extension and yes i agree with you that if you dont do it naturally then you probably never will and therefore is pointless coaching it.

[LayEmOut60]

@mattiussi11 I think we're arguing two different points here. If that little heel raise fits your description of a triple extension, then yes, you need a triple extension. I had a football coach that used to harp on me for not getting completely up onto my toes. Using the balls of your feet to finish the pull is good, but he defined the triple extension as complete extension of the ankle, which I don't think is right. The way I argued it before was a horrible way of describing it.

[mattiussi11]

@LayEmOut60 Iv seen that video plenty of times, how can you argue your point when he is clearly coming onto his toes and the bar would still be accelerating! It is only at the very top of a second pull where you stop applying force. Its not purely incidental and it doesn't happen after he starts dipping for the bar. I sincerely hope your not a weightlifting coach or a coach of any sort for that matter.

[LayEmOut60]

@mattiussi11 Do a search on here for "Pyrros Dimas power clean." Watch the vid of him power cleaning 170, and pay attention to the slow motion part. His heels come 1 inch off the ground at the very most, and it's not until AFTER he starts dipping to catch the weight. Any extension of the ankles is purely incidental, and it's not part of the lift that provides upward lift on the bar. All the force should go through the heels, as that video demonstrates very well.

[mattiussi11]

@LayEmOut60 Pyrros Dimas does go onto his toes its just not as exagerated as most other lifters. Its a triple extension patteren not a double extension patteren.