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@dejesusluisx Nothing happens by chance. It happens because of natural processes; because the laws of reality lead to the outcome.
TuahShinguru 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx Fred Hoyle was the same guy who coined the term "Big Bang", claiming that no such rapid expansion ever happened. He was a science fiction writer, just like the founder of the Scientology cult, and was known as a wingnut.
Your comment "When they succeed, they'll prove life is designed" shows that your mind is made up before any future discoveries are made. That says it all.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Fred Hoyle calculated probability living cell arranging out of random molecules to be 10^40,000. If you put in a test tube a soup of all the components needed to form a living cell, taken from thousands of actual cells, you can't form even one cell out of random rearrangements. Scientists have been trying for decades, with the latest knowledge, resources and instruments available at their disposal, to create life in the lab. When they succeed, they'll prove life is designed
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx Fine-tuned for life? Two miles up, you freeze to death. Same at the poles. You'd die in the desert, drown in the sea..
Virtually all of the Universe is uninhabitable.
String theory has been discarded as nonsense.
Saying you don't know how the first replicating molecules happened doesn't prove a magical sky wizard. There's no proof that dolphins are any less intelligent than humans.
Number 5 is not an argument in your favor.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 Try to answer the following facts: 1. The fine tuning of the universe discards the possibility of chance origins 2. String theory multiple universes calculation discards randomness as an origin 3. The probability required to assembly the living cell discards the possibility of self-assembly. 4. Our self programming brain is trait nowhere found in nature. 5. Evolution shows directionality by producing ever more complex species throughout time instead of randomness.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx Based on what evidence?
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 "Do you think that a god gathers up sand grains and keeps arranging them on coastlines to give us nice beaches, or do you think that they gather their naturally?"No, God created the laws to allow that to happen.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx Actually, they are parts of the universe, and they do act like that. Crystals of salt form in a particular shape, for example, not in random shapes, as do crystals of other chemicals. Same with star and planet formation, the cause of rotation of planets, etc. Natural forces of physics, chemistry, geology, etc.
Do you think that a god gathers up sand grains and keeps arranging them on coastlines to give us nice beaches, or do you think that they gather their naturally?
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
@ndrthrdr1 "you say that an atheist guy calculated those odds. I'm an atheist guy, and I calculate it at 50/50" OK, the problem is you're no Oxford mathematician collaborator of Stephen Hawkins, so I'll stick by his numbers.
"Physical properties of matter and energy create patterns with no consciousness, like crystal formation, weather patterns, ripples in beach sand, etc" They all behave randomly within the external forces that shape them. The universe isn't like that at all.
dejesusluisx 3 months ago
@dejesusluisx You say that an atheist guy calculated those odds. I'm an atheist guy, and I calculate it at 50/50.
Both figures are equally meaningless. Physical properties of matter and energy create patterns with no consciousness, like crystal formation, weather patterns, ripples in beach sand, etc. No consciousness necessary.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago