Augustine said the Holy Spirit is Useless

Augustine of Hippo - author of "Confessions" and "City of God" - said assurance is impossible.

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[jpepling]

What point are you trying to prove with this video?

[truth2liberty]

Andrew you are not a servant of God. You are of the Anti-Christ spirit. You have been given over to depravity and a reprobate mind because you refused to repent of secret sins and now you are a seething cauldron of condemnable corruption. Beware Children of God of the False prophets like Andrew that seek to deceive the very elect. Your message is not born of the Spirit of Christ it is born of the Anti-Christ. I pray you repent of your damnable heresy.

[Nelster]

Stop making these stupid videos.

No, Augustine is not saying no one can be sure of their salvation, he is saying no one can be sure if he/she will persevere till the end(being part of the elect), and he speculates the reason God chose to keep this a secret is to prevent us from boasting in the fact that we know our own destiny. Just read Hebrews 12 and Galatians 5.

I pray that you will truly know the love of Christ.

[peripsumetcumipso]

Saint Augustine is making a clear Catholic statement. He is instructing us on the heretical notion of predestination. This notion was employed by all the Protestant Reformers...that certes, that when we believe in the Lord , then we are among the elect. That we then have nothing to do but sit back and wait. With this line of thinking one falls in to the sin of presumption. This also negates free will, that we have a choice to either freely accept the gift of faith or reject.

[peripsumetcumipso]

Saint Augustine is making a clear Catholic statement. He is instructing us on the heretical notion of predestination. This notion was employed by all the Protestant Reformers...that certes, that when we believe in the Lord , then we are among the elect. That we then have nothing to do but sit back and wait. With this line of thinking on falls in to the sin of presumption. This also negates free will, that we have a choice to either freely accept the gift of faith or reject.

[idontgetno]

@truth2liberty He likes to stir the pot. Of course he picks random stuff out and builds a castle out of a grain of sand. But just let him be. We don't know his secrets any more that he knows ours. Jude1:9 I would not have you overdo it, my brother (or sister) Be well.

[Strefanash]

do you and Gus distinguish between knowing ABOUT God, which every man has (Romans 1) and knowing God PERSONALLY which only those who love their neighbour, bethren and God Himself?

you deny that man is made in the image of God and make his mind totally useless.

I no longer trust you, Mr McBain

NO, God's attributes are clearly seen in WHAT IS CREATED. Romans 1:20

your beef with Gus is become a beef with the Bible.

[Strefanash]

@Tony1584 . . the view that scripure interprets itself as an internally logical system. I am not interested in ad hominem views of any kind, ie papal or lutheran. the meaning of the words as a logical system is sufficient for me

[Strefanash]

@hofnarr532

you could very well be right. I was posting from my source, a seculart history of the LAte Roman Empire , author by name of Matthews, I think (I read it many years ago)

How to interpret, though? He was inconsistent? Or the view you mention was earlier and he changed his mind to the view I mentioned (which was propounded in a letter to one Vincentius, a Bishop somewhere in Africa) as was cited by Matthews.

I must see if i can find the book again in my local library

[hofnarr532]

@Strefanash

Actually, Augustine argued for curbing back the violence the Empire intended to inflict on the Donatists.

[hofnarr532]

your take his understanding of the Trinity is missing the bulk of Augustine's argument. "On the Trinity" is a substantial book - the second longest he wrote. There is a significant exegetical working out of the reality of the Trinity from Scripture.

If you are going to critique Augustine, which he welcomes in many writings, at least be fair.