Scientology: Great Communicators

I talk about how great Scientologists are at the art of communication and how Scientology communication courses are bringing us all closer together.

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[gg0u41bb]

Good points made.

[usaforeveryours]

As usual, under-watched and under-rated. Sooo frustrating.

[icyadore]

...never be good or great communicators even with practice. But that being said, I don't think any errors of my argumentation in these few comments are the result of sitting with my eyes closed across from someone, staring at them too long, or yelling at an ashtray. Does that make sense? I just saw this as another example of people making arguments from the point of view that, "If the whole of something isn't true, then none the parts can be either". And I don't agree with that.

[icyadore]

AnonOutreach:

1) I am curious about other communication courses please mention others if you know of them.

2)The TR's are free on the internet(freezone) so that's not expensive. I'm not saying that it is the best (CC) out there-I don't what is.

I'm just saying that while it is difficult, it can be good and far from the sweeping generalization of CD. I know I could've communicated my argument more effectively, but I try. Also this brings up the point of personal limitation. Some people will...

[AnonOutreach]

icyadore:

I happen to believe there are better, cheaper training courses. Toastmasters is free for example. Some people are well enough read and well-spoken enough before they ever start.

If there was true research that *proved* the course was better than the cheaper alternatives--I might be inclined to agree with you.

And the comm course is the first step in the CoS door. I'd urge people to find an alternative to that step no matter how CoS sells it.

[AnonOutreach]

icyadore:

I often debate with CoS members. Alongside fundie Christians they are the absolute *worst* debaters even when I urge them onto their winning points.

Now, if you were effectively communicating a debate point about CD's statements you could have made an effective argument by stating a simple statement such as:

"CD used sweeping generalizations about CoS members [insert example]--then stopped.

Knowing CD--he probably would have conceded the point.

That is effective communication.

[AnonOutreach]

There is a difference between talking, and communication. True communication is not a passive sport--it's active.

The problem with the "communications course" is not designed for two or more participants, it's designed for one person to thoroughly dominate the discussion.

Let me clarify my earlier statement.

"Speaking well publicly is not necessarily EFFECTIVE communication."

[icyadore]

Sorry for double posting. I thought I lost my third post.

[icyadore]

"completely and utterly destroyed".

For a more immediate example: I have done some of the TR's and objectives.

I believe that I am a living refutation of his argument. BTW Tory Magoo likes the comm course. She even volunteered in OSA-can she not communicate? Get real.

I think the CoS needs to be brought to it's knees. I am NOT promoting scientology.

But I do think some critics try to unnecessarily invalidate all things scientology.

This doesn't need to be done to fuck up the Church.

[icyadore]

"completely and utterly destroyed".

For a more immediate example I have done some of the TR's and I don't think that the above quote of delany would be even close to an accurate description of my ability to communicate (although my punctuation is fucked most of the time in written communication but that has nothing to do with TR's).

I challenge him to break it down drill by drill and explain precisely how that course produces the effect he claims.