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[knightsofstjoan2004]

The faith of the Messianic Jews is the Judaism of the Bible (Biblical Judaism) and is centered on the Messiah and the salvation He brings, and they don't have to go through the Sages or the Rabbis to know God. They have access to God because of the great atoning work of Yeshua HaMashiach, Israel's Chief Rabbi, who has fulfilled them as Jewish Believers and fulfilled Judaism itself.

[Matthew1944]

@szewz By saying your people, I meant Christians. Jesus followers, later called Ebionites practiced full Judaism but thought that Jesus was the FULLY HUMAN messiah who was predicted. Under Pauline Gentile Christianity, after about 57AD, the beginnings of the Catholic Church were beginning, made legal under Constantine a couple of hundred years later and in 385AD became the state religion in Rome under Theodosius. The Ebionites only lasted until about the 4th century before they were gone.

[szewz]

@Matthew1944 What do you mean when you say my people did not exist?

[Matthew1944]

@szewz  3) By dying before accomplishing any of the required tasks, he was deemed to be a false messiah.

[Matthew1944]

@Matthew1944 2) to quell any rebellion. Paul was sent to help quell those rebellions as well. Now if Jesus was the fully human messiah that the Jews were expecting, they would rally around him and there would be a very good possibility that the Romans would be driven out. This was what the Jews were expecting him to do during his lifetime. The Romans only became involved in cases of sedition or treason - crucifixion was the punishment.

[Matthew1944]

@szewz Yes, but better than that, I've read the history behind it, including the political atmosphere, the development of Gentile Christianity under Paul, the compilation of the bible. Reading the bible alone won't do it.  "Your people" didn't exist at the time of Jesus and wouldn't for over two generations after his death. Jesus was railing against the high priesthood who had been placed there by the Romans. The role of the priesthood at that time was to keep peace and....

[szewz]

@Matthew1944 When it comes to the lost sheep of Israel not referring to the diaspora but in regard to our people that was lost to a poor religious leadership. Ever read the New Testament?

[Matthew1944]

@szewz "Neither I, nor those who live here, "convert" anyone, we are Jews and we speak of the Jewish Messiah Yeshua.

I find that difficult to believe. Your little group is back by Evangelical Christians in the USA, specifically Southern Baptists who preach endlessly and try to convert everone in sight. In fact, many of them have the purpose of taking dominion over the entire world. Your so-called "Messianic Jews" most certainly have picked up the same tricks

[Matthew1944]

@szewz How did you come to convert from the religion of your forefathers to this brand of belief?

[Matthew1944]

@szewz The two mentions by Josephus of a man called Jesus have already been established as being either partly or wholly interpolations. They were unknown and never used by apologists until after the time of Eusabius, a church father, interpreter, who was also known to bend facts or withhold them altogether. Of course, Jesus was Jewish, from birth to death, and he himself stated that he had been sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel (the diaspora).