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Dr. Michael l Brown - Countering the Counter-Missionary (series)

This series of lectures by Dr. Brown seeks to answer most of the major objections that face Jewish believers in Yeshua. Its a in-depth study of messianic prophecy and that systematically answers why we believe that Yeshua (Jesus) is the Messiah.



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[Gentilejedi]

If you do not agree with a posters comment, please don't spam this. Peoples thoughts are not junk. Everyone has a right to opinions.  I have to go an *unspam* their comments.

[jbjoeychic]

BTW- I THANK YOU gentilejedi FOR MAKING MICHAEL BROWN AVAILABLE

[Gentilejedi]

@jbjoeychic You are most welcome.

[RedX714]

I have watched the whole series im jewish and nothing of my previous beliefs have changed.

[Gentilejedi]

@RedX714 That was very nice of you to watch and open yourself up. I applaud you for that. ;-)

[juliantt11]

Christ is for all people.Without Christ ( Yashua ) their is no salvation. Amen

[siu04aa]

Look into Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (may God be pleased with him), the true Messiah of the World

[jewscoutKBY]

@particle58 and i was reading the hebrew. "L'amo" in biblical hebrew can be read in the plural, just like it is used in Psalms 99.

[particle58]

@jewscoutKBY i quoted the masoretic text, not the KJV bible...

[jewscoutKBY]

@particle58 well if you read the biblical hebrew, the original language this was given in, that is a mistranslation, as verse 8 actually states "Now that he has been released from captivity and judgment, who could have imagined such a generation? For he had been removed from the land of the living, an affliction upon THEM that was my people's sin." The whole of this section of Isaiah, starting with 52 and ending in 54 is talking about the ultimate redemption of Israel.

[particle58]

@jewscoutKBY '53: 8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away, and with his generation who did reason? for he was cut off out of the land of the living, for the transgression of my people to whom the stroke was due. 9 And they made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich his tomb; although he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.'

Im sorry, but this IS NOT Israel, because it's FOR ISRAEL's sins that he is stricken.

[jewscoutKBY]

@particle58 As to Isaiah 53, i see it as talking about Israel, but Christians will disagree since they are purposefully looking for Jesus in Jewish prophecy. My problem with Daniels and people like him is the deception that one can be a Torah observant Jew and believe in what is essentially Christian theology, as if Judaism and Christianity are interchangeable. While they share terminology and some concepts, the theologies are as different as a turnip and tupperware.

[jewscoutKBY]

@particle58 However in the view of Torah, it doesn't. In order to be Moshiach you must fulfill that role, going half way and not completing the ultimate redemption does not make one the Moshiach. The Lubavitcher Rebbe is a man who did many things that could have made him a Messianic candidate but he died before fulfilling the mission, therefore he can not be Moshiach.

[jewscoutKBY]

@particle58 the traditional view is that Moshiach ben Yosef will come to lead the war when the nations of the world come against Am Yisrael, he will die in the process making way for the Moshiach ben David who will come to usher in a restoration of the Davidic line ruling over Israel. Daniel's points are valid if we are talking about Messiahship from the standpoint of Christian theology, as christianity redefined the role as the Church and it's views became solidified.

[particle58]

@jewscoutKBY Could you explain it a little? How do you believe it will bring in ultimate redemption? Especially since Daniel said that everlasting righteousness, the end of sin, and the death of 'an anointed one' had to happen BEFORE the destruction of the second temple. Do you believe Isaiah 53 refers to Israel, or Moshiach?