I have crohn's disease and the symptoms were horrible. I was diagnosed a year ago, lost shit loads of weight and looked like a skeleton. Fortunately through medication, exercise and proper diet I feel much better, and there has been a reduction in the inflammation.
3) quite a few patented medications have their roots in those *natural* compounds you keep harping on about. Clever men in labcoats realised that if you isolate the relevant compound, you can get a much more effective per weight product than you would by simply ingesting the entire source.
I notice you appear to have abandoned your argument from antiquity at this stage, at least you seem to have (somewhat tacitly) acknowledged your mistake with that one.
2) Yes, you also get healthy nutrition from eating an orange, but you get less vitamin C per dose. Which makes it less efficient for treating a vitamin C deficiency.
Much in the same way that you can use willow bark to treat headaches, but commercial aspirin is more efficient. If you're treating a specific condition, the best medication is one which specifically targets said condition at the highest level of efficiency. And we have a word for that. It's called "medicine."
@pamew Aspirin is not an herb. Herbs contain a variety of chemicals that all work together to help the body. This is why herbs are better. Aspirin is just one of those chemicals in the herb. Would you call a Vitamin C supplement a fruit because there's a large abundance of it in fruits? No you wouldn't. Would you say a Vitamin C supplement is just as healthy as eating an orange? No you wouldn't. Why? Because oranges contain a lot of different chemicals that helps your body in many ways.
@Almondx3 "U sure are making me imply that you prefer to live a drug intervening life with complications with what you've said."
I can't MAKE you imply anything. You simply stated that I "sounded like a prednisone dependant" and when challenged, failed to provide any good reason why you had come to this conclusion. I also haven't suffered any complications as of yet, so wrong yet again.
I have crohn's disease and the symptoms were horrible. I was diagnosed a year ago, lost shit loads of weight and looked like a skeleton. Fortunately through medication, exercise and proper diet I feel much better, and there has been a reduction in the inflammation.
ochasca 6 days ago
you guys are all drifting away from what it's all about....stop all this "one upmanship" and get back to Crohn's
mickeytuf 1 month ago
3) quite a few patented medications have their roots in those *natural* compounds you keep harping on about. Clever men in labcoats realised that if you isolate the relevant compound, you can get a much more effective per weight product than you would by simply ingesting the entire source.
I notice you appear to have abandoned your argument from antiquity at this stage, at least you seem to have (somewhat tacitly) acknowledged your mistake with that one.
pamew 4 months ago
2) Yes, you also get healthy nutrition from eating an orange, but you get less vitamin C per dose. Which makes it less efficient for treating a vitamin C deficiency.
Much in the same way that you can use willow bark to treat headaches, but commercial aspirin is more efficient. If you're treating a specific condition, the best medication is one which specifically targets said condition at the highest level of efficiency. And we have a word for that. It's called "medicine."
pamew 4 months ago
@socceric17
"Aspirin is not an herb"
Strawman. Didn't say it was. You however, said this:
"that can't be patented like herbs because they *grow in nature*."
I think you'll find that the bark of the willow tree is in fact natural. "like herbs" doesn't mean "exclusively herbs". Get your wording right.
"Would you say a Vitamin C supplement is just as healthy as eating an orange?"
If I was treating a vitamin C deficiency, pure vitamin C would be the better option. (continued)
pamew 4 months ago
@pamew Aspirin is not an herb. Herbs contain a variety of chemicals that all work together to help the body. This is why herbs are better. Aspirin is just one of those chemicals in the herb. Would you call a Vitamin C supplement a fruit because there's a large abundance of it in fruits? No you wouldn't. Would you say a Vitamin C supplement is just as healthy as eating an orange? No you wouldn't. Why? Because oranges contain a lot of different chemicals that helps your body in many ways.
socceric17 4 months ago
@Almondx3 "And just because the doctors think that its cause is idiopathic doesn't make it true."
"idiopathic" simply means "arising from an unknown cause".
The exact mechanism(s) that causes Crohn's have not been isolated. This means it is idiopathic. This is not a matter of debate.
pamew 4 months ago
@Almondx3 "U sure are making me imply that you prefer to live a drug intervening life with complications with what you've said."
I can't MAKE you imply anything. You simply stated that I "sounded like a prednisone dependant" and when challenged, failed to provide any good reason why you had come to this conclusion. I also haven't suffered any complications as of yet, so wrong yet again.
pamew 4 months ago
@Almondx3 "You seem to stray away from the point instead you attack the flaws of the structure of an argument."
Haha, oh wow...
"you attack the flaws of the structure of an argument."
Yes, because if an argument is built on logical fallacies, it is not a valid argument. The clue is in "fallacies."
"You must be taking the logic course, which I took two years ago, in college"
Nice attempt at another ad hominem, implying that I'm behind you in terms of education.
pamew 4 months ago