Ken Wilber - Subject becomes object

Ken Wilber expands on the nature of "I amness" or the pure "Self"; ultimate identity - while also describing the role of development in spritual growth.

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[SelfAware1]

well said my friend... i think peolple tend to forget that its all about balance.... being 100% spiritual is just as bad as being 100% egoic....

[Johnnybeak]

This may sound silly to one who hasn't practiced witnessing/meditation ..just watching the breath as long as it takes.. maybe days, weeks, years... or maybe now... the mind drops away.. and one is just floating in a vast feeling of emptiness... without a body to identify with... but this sense of " I " am just awareness.. Aware of what? The entire view of perception.. the entire universe...if I am space.. I am All objects arising in this space... which is what allows everything to be free as is

[holekyo]

do you wanna be my master ? wanna make me sit on your knees like a puppy ? like buddhist idiot in gompa when master arrived ?? i'm a motherfuckin mix 0,25 of russian. wanna treat me like a dog, i will bite off your balls and yell to a fuckin moon. fuck off. master, wtf ?? shit on you all

[Johnnybeak]

@Iex97 Haha... I agree! One can totally get too mixed up in this seeking for "emptiness" and trying to cultivate more awareness and all that. Thats why is very important to just have a consistent simple practice of hatha yoga, vipassana, weights, swimming and even jogging where there is great concentration of the whole body and breath. This automatically frees up the mind, a great energy rush, can be very blissful and is very grounding/balancing to the sense of self and the bodies physiology

[Iex97]

@Johnnybeak but what if ive been there and now instead i want a rocket ship even more than the vast empty feeling

[EasyStu007]

As soon as we talk about it, we do not talk about it :D

[geoffreyah]

It is the detachment of the external world which is felt as a separation or loss that causes one to feel suffering not the objects. One thinks one has to have something, someone etc. One becomes dependent on externals.

[geoffreyah]

It's better not to identify with anything especially one's transcendental self or god or one will become ego inflated. It is an idea one can still identify with. The small self should not be identified because it has to continually undergo many psychological death and rebirths but it is an archetype that can undergo an unlimited amount of death and rebirths. Identification with the highest level or trans self is not inlightenment which is an ephiphany which comes once in a while.

[geoffreyah]

Only in the unconscious can one be completely without an object unless one is dead. Death only symbolizes the detachment of the subject from object, When one is dead one is a zombie without consciousness. We can never get rid of the subject therefore enlightenment is not under one's control, like epiphany, so meditation won't necessarily get one there. The opposite of nothingness is the infinite which can only be perceived through a subject. i

[smallpotatoes989]

subject meaning thoughts and emotions awakening the self.that is the simple step of geing enlightetend right.But you can not awake the self with wish but only thro surendering in to the momement becouse the self itself does not have an active role but it is observant. so you have to slowly and gently in meditation surrender in to the momement then you becouse observer that is the first step.i am way ahead have cleaned my third eye realy good in the past month. there is no limit to spiritual path

[vajraloka1]

yes  0+1 = 1

[rodrigojoseunb]

''The reason that enlightment is so tricky, is because it's so simple''. Normally, i think that's the motto of the good teacher.