The Dutch Revolt: the Fall of Antwerp (1585) and the Split between Holland and Belgium

Scene from the Eighty Years' War: the fall of Antwerp in 1585...

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• Spanish
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• siege
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• farnese
• marnix
• st-aldegonde

[johnsatyricon]

Jullie kennen de film Alatriste, spaans soldaat. Hij zegt over de Vlaanderen of Holland (toen nog niet duidelijk onderscheiden):

"t Is het einde van de wereld, Excellentie.

Toen God Vlaanderen schiep, verlichtte hij 't met een zwarte zon, 'n ketterse zon, die je niet verwarmt, of je doorweekte botten droogt.

' t Is een raar land, bewoond door mensen die ons vrezen en verachten, die ons nimmer vrede zullen schenken.

Een Mens raakt er meer kwijt dan slaap.

Vlaanderen is de hel!"

[occitanianmontreal]

hey, at the minute 2:35 is that the real letter of the surrender? could you upload the image? From where you have downloaded it? What can be read exactly?

I need the image for a work! Thank You.

[johnsatyricon]

Yes, it is a scan of the real surrender document. unfortunately, I deleted all my mzeterial, but you should be able to find it in good books.On it, you can see the signatures of the two parties, Marnix van Sint-Algedonde, for the rebelesn, and Alexander Farnese, the Spanish Army commander.

[johnsatyricon]

I found the surrender document in the series of the Lannoo Publishing House: 'Waar is de tijd? Looking for the original document in the Brussels Rijksarchieven could take you months to find it.

[johnsatyricon]

Correction: the sezries is called: the 100 days of Antwerp, or something like that. Is to be found in the academic libraries in Antwerpn, or even in ordinary public libraries. Hoping tot have helped you, my best wishis,

Johnsatyricon.

[johnsatyricon]

I find this discussion here interesting. Being an Belgian/Flemish, I stand between the two parties. I also would have liked that 'Flanders' and 'Holland' remained one state, but this turned out differently. We too suffered from the Duch, They made raids into our countryside and extracted money or payment for letters of 'sauvegarde', In the later phase of the revolt, Duch troops were as hated as spanish armies, Both made Flanders an empoverished country. So not a story of good versus evil

[bouma1510]

Well the dutch owned the enlish in the 2nd and 3rd anglo-dutch wars

[Vidacz82]

its trough man... every1 knows netherland controllerd europe from 1600 to 1800... just saying we got al the welth in euroep so be thanksfull

[Komnenit]

@ImperialGuard9001 It's time for the third world to awake and dominate the world. Never again will the european and USA exploitation rule over us. We will rule over them

[skydome29]

I hate to laugh too hard at anothers expense, but now in european history you have the EU, haha man did that get fucked up quick.

[skydome29]

@bouma1510 They told the english and the french to "fuck off", and "va te faire foutre" simultaneously. Impressive.

[ImperialGuard9001]

Man I fucking love European History when we as a colection of peoples will realise that we share all this glory we are children of Mother Europa! I am not talking about EU but for peace sake is about time Europeans regain their place in world away from american trash!

[ImperialGuard9001]

@johnsatyricon Spaniards were no different so why would Flemish remain loyal to them? For its worth I would say that Flanders should had its own "independence":

[1999521]

@Zonnewende88 Of course, I know Spain never conquered the Netherlands. it was part of the inheritance of king Charles I. But the fact that they were ruled by Spain remains the same.

Yes, sooner or later the dutch would become independent, considering that Spain had too many financial problems and too many conflicts around the world.

Don´t get me wrong. As I stated before I admire the feats of the dutch and their contributions to the world.

[Zonnewende88]

@1999521 France and England each had their own logical reasons to support the Dutch Revolt. Eventually independance would have come (The Dutch had very close ties with German states too), sooner then your claim is.

Don t forget The United Provinces were never conquered by Spain, it was "hereditary treasure".

Futhermore, I suggest you look into your "Glorious Revolution"- the invasion of William into Britain and while you are at it.:Raid on the Medway, UK s most decisive naval defeat