Dr J Vernon McGee Q&A - ULTRA-DISPENSATIONALISM

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[GodspromisesRyes]

"dispensationalism" as it is taught is a lie and one of the worst because it is an entire consuming cancer of lies. The mystery of God concerning Christ and His church- gentiles fellow partakers- one new man in Christ- Christ in you the hope of glory does not end until the 7th trumpet according to rev 10:7. There is not two bodies but ONE NEW MAN. There is no time when the division will again be made between jew and gentile. Christ died to break down the wall and dispensationalism builds it back

[ShownMercy]

@JONAH222NCSGAZ..... Initially? Paul wrote of the of the Kingdom of God through all his epistles.

Rom 14:17, 1Cor 4:20, 6:9-10, 15:24,50, Gal 5:21, Eph 5:5, Col 1:13, 4:11, 1Thes 2:12, 2Thes 1:5, 2Tim 4:1,18.

The imaginary "dispensations" you have created are just that, imaginary.

Maybe you should read Harry Ironside's -" Wrongly Dividing the Word of Truth"

[JONAH222NCSGAZ]

@ShownMercy Never said the Gentiles will not be part of the NC Kingdom. They WILL be there, but on the "condition" of "holding on to the skirt of a JEW". The "G. of the K." and the "K. of G." are similar. The former EMPHASIZES the PLACE of RULE, i.e. Jerusalem, GEN 15:18; MAT 19:28; REV 21. The latter EMPHASIZES the TYPE of RULE, i.e. Godly, ISA 9:6,7; LK 17:21; REV 22:13-15. This is what, John, Jesus, Peter,and Paul (initially) WERE preaching, but the Jews REJECTED it; ACTS 13:46, 18:6, 28:28.

[ShownMercy]

@JONAH222NCSGAZ... Maybe a study of the word "basileia" would shed some light on your "Gospel of the Kingdom" THEORY. The Kingdom of God has NOTHING TO DO WITH LAND. It is a RULE. "Behold, the RULE of God is at hand"! Or, if you prefer, "Behold, the REIGN of God is at hand"!

Gentiles are part of the NC, whether you like or not. Gal. 3:18&29

The same eternal promise given to Abraham, is given to me "in Christ".

[JONAH222NCSGAZ]

@ShownMercy JER 31:33 is the NEW COVENANT that God will make with Israel, exclusively; the Gentiles will have to do this: ZEC 8:23 and JN 12:20-22. The "veil", at the time of the cross, was rent, indicating JUDGMENT. The NC was "extended" to Israel, as seen in ACTS 2. The parameters of JER 31:33 and ZEC 8:23 were still in effect. These "conditions" still held, until Acts 15 when something previously "unknown" was preached by Paul, 1 COR 2:7. The "no difference" CHURCH was the mystery, EPH 3:1-9

[JONAH222NCSGAZ]

@ShownMercy Paul was "absolutely" the FIRST to preach the "gospel of the grace of God." In that gospel there is "no difference" between JEW (circumcised or not) and GENTILE (uncircumcised or not). The GOSPEL of the KINGDOM goes back to the OT promises given exclusively to the nation of Israel. In that gospel there is a DEFINITE distinction made between Jew and Gentile. Why have Acts 15 if "no difference" was part of the KINGDOM gospel? Two DIFFERENT messages (gospels) and standings; ONE CHRIST.

[ShownMercy]

@JONAH222NCSGAZ..... The "middle wall of Partition" was torn down at the cross. The old covenant between God and Israel ended with the death of the testator. Heb 9:15-16. Just because the temple was not destroyed for another 40 years, the new covenant started with resurrection of Christ.

Christ told the 12, "You shall be witness of ME" (the resurrected Jesus Christ) in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth"....

[ShownMercy]

@JONAH222NCSGAZ.... To say that Paul was the first to proclaim the message of the Gospel is absolutely ignorance on your part.. Paul himself says the churches of Judea were "in Christ" before Paul ever stepped foot in Judea. Gal 1:22..

Paul also said that Andronicus and Junias were "in Christ" before he was. Rom 16:7. If Paul was the first to proclaim the message, how are all these "in Christ" before him!!

Wake up.

God bless. 

[JONAH222NCSGAZ]

I see your postion and I will correct myself. "Circimcised" Gentiles (proselytes), could enter into the "Court of the Gentiles", but NO FURTHER, because of the "middle wall of partition". Cornelius was an "uncircumcised God fearing" Gentile and could NOT enter the "Court", period. In BOTH cases, the Gentile was SEPARATED from the JEW. Historically, within "the CHURCH", when did this SEPARATION stop? It stopped with Paul's preaching (ROM 10:12) and the AFFIRMATION in Acts 15, by Peter and James.

[Thunkful2]

GAZ, I wait for proof that Corny was a proselyte. acts 10:22 "And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee."

10:22 has no word "proselyte" in it. To be a proselyte requires circumcision. Corny was a "God-fearer," a gentile who recognized YHWH as God, not a convert to Judaism.