The only problem with this argument is that most atheists are not sophisticated enough to understand it. Therefor, they are just subject to look foolish with every remark they utter, all the while believing they are making sense.
The laws of logic you are talking about IS a human concept, and they are consistent with reality because they derive from observing reality. And even if laws of logic would be perfect and unchanging, God as a source of logic would not be fit as an explanation since it's source would require an explanation also. If you claim that god does not need to be explained then I can just as easily claim that those laws of logic doesn't need to be explained in the same sense.
You are a good at sophistry - I am actually impressed!
The problem...we can make up claims that fit circumstances and yet the claims are false. If a claim is testable, then whether the claim is false or not can be know. If a claim is untestable, then it is an assertion until such time there is support for the claim... (See my profile for an example...)
The Transcendental Argument for God is one that I find personally convincing. There is no way to account for the existence of truth in a materialist/atheistic worldview. The laws of logic exist beyond space, time, matter and energy. God is truth, and God also exists beyond time, space, matter and energy.
@musickle When i was an open air preacher/apologist i used this argument a lot . I have already debated Matt Slick on this subject. I have already refuted the TAG in a video . I think it quite dishonest that you not only mis represent what logic is, but also that you do not allow any one to post a video response to this video. I welcome you to debate me on this subject on skype .
Let's falsify the Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God , shall we?
You might think that you're living in a universe created by the Christian God.
Now what would a universe not created by a Christian God be like?
Now which universe are you living in, and how do you know the difference?
I'm just saying and I don't want to get into it with you, seeing that you're so brainwashed. Let's take this whole video and replace the word "God" with "Magic Turd", get my point? No of course not.
Your argument contains so many logical fallacies it seems you barely understand logic, which makes your reference to "the laws of logic" pretty ironic. Anyway, logic and maths are just models we created for understanding our reality and these models have been finetuned by means of experimentation by respectively philosophers and mathematicians. There is no transcendent source for logic and anyone who truely understands logic will argue that any circular argument is a logical fallacy.
I think apologist and philosopher John Frame has agreed that any world view uses circular reasoning. That is any world view, accoding to Frame uses circular logic.
Could have been Zeus...
mattmeup1 1 month ago
The only problem with this argument is that most atheists are not sophisticated enough to understand it. Therefor, they are just subject to look foolish with every remark they utter, all the while believing they are making sense.
cocoonbreach 4 months ago
The laws of logic you are talking about IS a human concept, and they are consistent with reality because they derive from observing reality. And even if laws of logic would be perfect and unchanging, God as a source of logic would not be fit as an explanation since it's source would require an explanation also. If you claim that god does not need to be explained then I can just as easily claim that those laws of logic doesn't need to be explained in the same sense.
theamzer 5 months ago
You are a good at sophistry - I am actually impressed!
The problem...we can make up claims that fit circumstances and yet the claims are false. If a claim is testable, then whether the claim is false or not can be know. If a claim is untestable, then it is an assertion until such time there is support for the claim... (See my profile for an example...)
MyContext 5 months ago
The Transcendental Argument for God is one that I find personally convincing. There is no way to account for the existence of truth in a materialist/atheistic worldview. The laws of logic exist beyond space, time, matter and energy. God is truth, and God also exists beyond time, space, matter and energy.
ClamCrunchy 7 months ago
@musickle When i was an open air preacher/apologist i used this argument a lot . I have already debated Matt Slick on this subject. I have already refuted the TAG in a video . I think it quite dishonest that you not only mis represent what logic is, but also that you do not allow any one to post a video response to this video. I welcome you to debate me on this subject on skype .
OpenAirAtheist 8 months ago
Let's falsify the Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God , shall we?
You might think that you're living in a universe created by the Christian God.
Now what would a universe not created by a Christian God be like?
Now which universe are you living in, and how do you know the difference?
I'm just saying and I don't want to get into it with you, seeing that you're so brainwashed. Let's take this whole video and replace the word "God" with "Magic Turd", get my point? No of course not.
bigboy45454545 9 months ago
Your argument contains so many logical fallacies it seems you barely understand logic, which makes your reference to "the laws of logic" pretty ironic. Anyway, logic and maths are just models we created for understanding our reality and these models have been finetuned by means of experimentation by respectively philosophers and mathematicians. There is no transcendent source for logic and anyone who truely understands logic will argue that any circular argument is a logical fallacy.
OutOfTheBoxThinker 11 months ago
I think apologist and philosopher John Frame has agreed that any world view uses circular reasoning. That is any world view, accoding to Frame uses circular logic.
Ear4Beauty 1 year ago
wow, invest 8:19 full of circular arguments just to sound smart. to boil down what YOU actually said: "God exists, therefore he must exist"
And kudos on just throwing something out there at the end "without god you cant prove anything at all" care to elaborate?
perfect example of someone who is not satisfied with the truth so he keeps thinking until it becomes complex enough to sound like his truth.
so smart and still not getting it is very very very very very very unlikely that god exists...
BurnDadah 1 year ago