The Conflation of Force and Freedom

And if I DID want to talk about my life and experiences I'd start by telling that horrifying story about the thing that happened to my toe that one time. Well, those two times, it actually happened twice.

Diwataman's video that I mentioned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I44NdWzAKG0
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I'm pretty sure he only uploaded that thing to punish me for my Onision vid. :D It triggered my traumas.

Category:

News & Politics

Tags:

• human trafficking
• sex trafficking
• severe forms of trafficking
• prostitution
• sex work
• sex workers rights
• radical feminism
• feminism
• end demand
• U.S. Code
• federal law
• conflation
• force
• freedom
• politics
• decriminalization
• moral panic

[DiwataMan]

I must say I'm a bit confused by this. Let me just say I put that up as a reaction to some of what I saw on that blogtv with booboo with people trying to define trafficking. I thought it would be good to have that uploaded as a starting point and to show what the U.S. is doing, it had nothing to do with the Onision thing which I covered here; watch?v=AW1XyLpQfPE

[FeministWhore]

@DiwataMan - it was a good starting point! I was just makin a joke about the onision thing. it's definitely good that you uploaded it - i'm irritated with the dept of state being weaselly in their presentation of this stuff

[AelaTheHuntress]

@Ramiiam I am too, I never knew about that definition until just now. There should only be one definition for trafficking and that is the forced, coerced etc people, none of that other shit. If I move from one place to another for a job I could experience the same kinds of problems as someone who does it for sex work. It is called life.

To include that as trafficking is a slap in the face to all the people who really are trafficked.

[AelaTheHuntress]

You are awesome. I think the whole thing about sex workers being mentally scarred and such is beyond rediculous! How can a person become scarred from engaging in consentual and pleasurable acts that they get paid pretty good money for, or more than pretty good lol. I work at a minimum wage slave job and nobody has any pity (fake or otherwise) for me. I work at this crap job because I have no other choices...I wish I could fuck for money! Lol! I mean wtf people, its just sex!

[xxxild]

You cried? I don't believe it!

Seriously, thanks for explaining this once again. I think it's helpful for people who are new to this.

[DiwataMan]

@FeministWhore But your comment to Ramiam confuses me, "the common misconception people have when they hear 'trafficked', that it must've been forced" When I think of trafficking that's precisely what I think of and that's how it's defined in the video. I understand there are other laws and aspects to go into but the way it's presented in the video is precisely the definition you and I agree on. What am I missing here?

[Divinity33372]

@FeministWhore Good think you clarified that. Wouldn't want to confuse people =/

ffs

[Divinity33372]

@DiwataMan "I agree with the definition of trafficking containing the element of "force, fraud or coercion". Are you saying this should not be the case?"

Is this an honest question? Really?

[FeministWhore]

I'm saying that the definition where 'force fraud coercion' is included should be the only definition, but it's not. That it's not the only definition is why I complain.

[waltermh111]

@johntheother as possible that somebody, whether they love sex or not, could still prefer it to slaving for other jobs where they might make less or work hours they dont like etc...

There are many reasons people may have sex, all could be related to needing money, and having few other options, but the idea that its for sure the worst thing a person could do for money, the most degrading thing, that different from another job.

Its beyond sensical how opposition thinks.

[waltermh111]

@johntheother Yeah, I try making the argument in depth that there isnt any real difference, but sex is somehow a special case.

If you use your body to build a fence for somebody, to deliver something, etc... its just normal work, you arent considered to sell your body.

But if its sex, despite that you dont lose anything, you are not contracting your body for pay, your selling it

Its just not possible that a person could even enjoy sex and want to get paid for it.

Its not seen ...