Joe Frazier Interview Part 2

Graham Bensinger Interviews Joe Frazier at his gym in Philadelphia for ESPN in October 2007

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[MrPerryrice]

@avoice77 A LESSON:Ali was not making fun of Frazier's African features;he was mocking Joe as boxings stereotypical pug fighter,who,regardless of their race were seen when Ali came up,as big,battered,ugly,smashed nosed,cauliflowered eared,stumbling,dumb apes mumbling duh,duh,duh at interviews, &these fighters were mostly whites. Ali pushed in his nose ridiculing this stereotype long before Joe came along, nobody said nothing. He caricatured Joe as Joe the pug fighter, & not as Joe the black man.

[MrPerryrice]

@avoice77 Well,if you teach on these things,give me the lesson I asked for.Teach me where I can find Ali specifically saying he's talking against Frazier's dark skin or African features.I've never seen him doing it anywhere.So name these 'White Journalists';who are they,where can I find their articles?Who did they testify to? Where at?When? Every one of Ali's recordings I've seen has him mocking Joe for being a Tom,or for being a dumb,battered,smashed nosed club fighter. Never for being Black.

[MrPerryrice]

@avoice77 And I will attempt you stipid, ignorant inferior scum! And you better not ever raise your ignorant voice again where I can see it! Spewing your filthy hatred that can not even be backed by the facts. Upon my soul, dare raise up and I'll crush your evil and ignorance with good and knowledge again, just like I did in this conversation. You stupid, ignorant piece of slime! Ha ha ha! I have crushed you with good, truth and righteousness! You are dirt and are hurt, aren't you? Silence? Ha!

[MrPerryrice]

@avoice77 Well,you scholar! Where is it? Where's this stuff Ali said about Frazier's complexion? Or African features? U have run away because U are a lying, slanderous coward. An ignorant, hateful baffoon! U are indeed dirt, Uhave not evolved to manhood or character enough to continue the stupid lie you started. Lay down and accept your miserable life you scum bag from the worse hell imaginable. You moron. Don't open your filthy mouth again unless Uknow what you are talking about. Im waiting!

[MrPerryrice]

@avoice77 And let me add that that if you are a teacher of any subject, especially of racism and the slave mentality of black folks, then your students are bound to be as ignorant, thick headed, and as dishonest as you are. Reading your posts, no one would mistake you for a teacher. But if you said you were a racist teaching at a KKK school I could believe you. Or a victim of racism, I could believe that too, Or that you suffer from slave mentality, I could believe that. But a teacher? Ha ha .

[avoice77]

@MrPerryrice - Don't even attempt to discuss the depths of racism and the slave mentality with me. I teach on these things. Ali specifically spoke against Frazier's african features nose and dark complexion. White journalists have testified to this. Ali was being negative about Joe's specific features and people in the media have confirmed this and Ali's words and gestures are recorded. Pretty boy Ali was SLAVE minded, case closed. Blk people suffer massively from slave syndrome. Are u white?

[MrPerryrice]

@avoice77 GIVE ME A LESSON: Please tell me (and everybody) where I can find Ali saying anything derogatory about Frazier's complexion, his dark skin, or his African features. Tell us where Ali said it. I have followed Ali's career, and had he said such an ignorant thing I would have run across it by now. If I am wrong please tell where I can find the proof, and I'll acknowledge where I am wrong....and if you cannot find Ali saying it, you do the same.

They both should have apologized.

[MrPerryrice]

@avoice77 Dude,Africans do not look like apes! Neither does Joe.But Joe was a club fighter,&club fighters are carciatured as hairy knuckled,pug nosed,dumb,mumbling apes named 'Rock',like in the cartoons,movies,literature; Now that's common knowledge. Club fighters,not Africans.That's all Ali's talking about when he calls Joe gorilla; but if you think of Joe's dark skin & African features when Ali says gorilla, it's only showing that you are the ones thinking Joe looks like a gorilla, not Ali.

[avoice77]

@MrPerryrice - it's common knowledge that Ali made fun of Joes African features. And Ali berated other black fighters calling them apes etc, but he was vicious and excessive towards Frazier who was more sensitive. Ali's sad behavior caused Frazier to detest him for the rest of his life. Today in hindsight, many in boxing media (and champion fighters) view Ali's words against Joe with great regret because he broke Joe down but never came back and lifted him up. He deserved an open apology.

[MrPerryrice]

@avoice77 Everything Frazier did is far more Tomming than anything Ali did; and try as you might, Ali will never be known as a Tom, nor be injured by such a ridiculous notion, Joe is. And Ali was the one responding, not Joe. Aside from that, you attribute blame to both, which I am in accord with you on. Both were I believe acting inappropriately just as you say, but Ali's at least was only retaliatory, & he helped no white folks who were attacking Frazier,Joe joined the Whites attacking Ali.