Norman Finkelstein vs Shlomo Ben Ami - Part 6

In the final part of the debate, Shlomo Ben Ami reflects on some of the issues surrounding American involvement in the Middle East and its violations of International Law and all Human Rights accords in its handling of "detainees" at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo facilities. He ends by stating his sole incentive for going for the Two-State Settlement in his remark:

"When I say that we need to make concessions, it is not because I am concerned with the future of the Palestinians or because or because I am concerned with International Law; I want to say it very clearly. It is because I define myself as an ardent Zionist that thinks the best for the Jews in Israel is that we abandon the territories..."

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[OrodesIII]

Shlomo Ben Ami is particularly vile in that he separates morality from politics.

[RussiangirlNY]

@RussiangirlNY be searched and be curfewed. This is why the world resents Israel, because of the pathological ideology it was founded on, and also the racist policy it implements. I am an agnostic and believe that all people are equal, that people should be compassionate to others and respect their land and property, that they should not steal form their fellow man. THOSE are the qualities that the compassionate god recognizes; not plundering, killing and racism.

[RussiangirlNY]

@RussiangirlNY just as Hitler though that his ideology superseded the needs and desires of the Jewish people and other non Aryan races, YOU and other zionists believe that essentially Jews are superior to other races; that they get to inhabit a the holy land while others need to be exiled from it. and indirectly your policies implement the same tactics Hitler used to rid Europe of the jews -depriving them of their property, enclosing them in prison like ghettoes and forcing them to

[RussiangirlNY]

@RussiangirlNY because our gos said so." this is a mild interpretation of zionism. But practically, just as Nazi germany used Aryan ideology to rationalize extermination of Jews, Zionism rationalizes the expulsion and in many times execution of Arabs from their ancestrial lands. Effectively I believe that Zionist jews, are implementing the same exact policy that was implemented against them. This is not only shameful but deeply hypocritical.

[RussiangirlNY]

@RussiangirlNY one only needs to look at what Hitler said to see what I mean. "the Aryan race is superior to all other races, it has special privileges that other races lack and so it deserves to cleanse the world of inferior races." Zionism comes to basically the same conclusions about jews, the only difference is that is uses religion -which differs relatively from person to person, (YOU maybe Jewish), but I may be Muslim etc. the basic gist of Zionism "this land belongs to the Jews,

[RussiangirlNY]

@gadidoron1 Israel deserves to exist. That is not the question. Even though no country in history has had more help in creating and preserving its existence than israel. I do not resent the Israeli people as much as the ideology that founded them and the government that exists there. A common thread is always zionism and zionism is the root cause of my objection to Israel. Zionism to an outsider like me is a recycled version of Nazi Aryan supremacy.

[moovershaker]

Torture is unfortunately a secret policy of most countries at one time or another, not least the Arab countries. It's just a horrible fact about the world we live in. It would seem that the only difference is that Israel is honest about it. It's the bigger picture that really counts and this is where Shlomo comes out on top. It's certainly not to Israel,s credit that so many Palestinian civilians died but one must take into account that much of the blame rests with Hamas for hiding behind them.

[ionevea]

Ben Ami makes a basic logical fallacy. He argues that because Arab countries and Palestinians are committing crimes, it is justifiable for Israel to do so. He essentially says "two wrongs make a right" -- as if committing further crimes cancels out the original problem. What a joke.

[gadidoron1]

@faziljaved im an Israeli and a zionist and proud of it. my people have been living in Israel for thousands of years, their where allways jews in Israel even when it was turned into arabic hands. this land belongs to both palestinians and Israelis. the u.n recognized Israel as a home land of the jewish people, and the jews have a right for their own land. so who the hell are you to call history and a u.n decition illegal? and the only animal is you spreadind lies and hatred, about Israel

[faziljaved]

@gadidoron1 you are living in israel and thats enough proof that you are a zionist. you are illegal, your existense is the shame, your policies are evil, your country is illegitimate. who the hell are you to decide that you should keep this and give that. believe me animals are thousand times better than you. you are the evil on earth. shame is a very small word for you