Vietnam War: What really happened

A brief overview of history

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• Vietnam
• war
• john
• mccain
• chomsky

[saintgauden]

Patriotic Propaganda is difficult to overcome. Americans are a belligerent type...they love war for any reason. The fact that we have had all these silly wars exemplifies that fact. The Vietnamese and others a world away had no way to threaten us in the US...these were just wars for empire and glory. At least there was outrage against the Vietnam War...nowadays people are total sheep...will mindlessly repeat, "we must support them...they are defending our freedoms." Works every time.

[jamesrp007]

Holy shit my textbook may be wrong..

[CobinRain]

@Tonyo1221 Vietnam was divided after the war. Western powers --the US--put in puppet governments in the south, supporting them militarily. They were incredibly unpopular so initially this was a war of the people of S Vietnam against the American puppet government(a little like Mubarak situation..) North Vietnam was not in the War, but was supplying the vietcong. To justify an attack the US (CIA)set up a phony "incident" the Gulf of Tonkin Incident- as a causus belli and started bombing N Viet.

[Tonyo1221]

@CobinRain The fact the south had the US on its side doesn't stop it from been a civil war. Fact is, the US was at war with a clear military objective and they failed in that military objective. Google it - US military leaders at the time are on record today as saying they underestimated the determination and resolve of the North and US conventional weapons were rendered useless against the North's tactics. To end it once and for all, Nixon carpet bombed Northern Vietnam, it didnt work. . .

[Tonyo1221]

@NDPdEport I know what he means by his "spread the rot" theory, I just in no way agree with it. And the fact the south had the US on its side doesn't stop it from been a civil war. Fact is, the US was at war with a clear military objective and they failed in that military objective. Google it - US military leaders at the time are on record today as saying they underestimated the determination and resolve of the North and US conventional weapons were rendered useless against the North's tactics.

[CobinRain]

@Tonyo1221 It is NOT garbage.The only extent that you could call Vietnam a civil war was the extent to which the great mass of people rose up against an american puppet government and tried to over throw it.Even the parition of vietnam had US hands all over it. The viet Cong were and anti-colonial movement, like the Viet Minh before them..reaching back..They fought the japs, they fought the french, they fought the Americans. Of course they would fight a US puppet.

[NDPdEport]

@Tonyo1221 how does the US just go intervene in another nation without knowing what is goin on inside that country, because they had a different motive and agenda. The Military is no force for "greater good". "spread the rot"="domino theory" except for the domino theory has the pretext that countries would fall under soviet control, where as he uses "spread the rot" as spreading of "progressive" ideas.Also dont call it a civil war when one side is being backed by a foriegn power+ puppet dictator

[Tonyo1221]

This is utter Garbage folks. Its a wholly false American perspective for a particularly naive American audience. Vietnam was a civil war. The US were in too deep when they realised that. The US lost that war pure and simple. Regarding a unified Vietnam, there was no "spread the rot" theory and if some elites had that thought, it utterly failed. Just because Vietnam isn't a cosmopolitan digital hub today (most countries aren't!) doesn't mean it still isn't a proud nation and an example to others.

[gerry301]

@aewester You are right the 600/200,000 numbers were misinterpreted. My apology. I watched about 8 minutes of the video, but couldn't deal with the garbage he was spewing.

[gerry301]

@aewester IBC is still on the internet. It not only uses the media reports, but hospital, morgue, NGO, and official reports. The government of Iraq and IBC come up with similar findings. While I am sure some deaths have slipped through the cracks they are the most reliable and as close to accurate as you will find anywhere.