Uploaded by frankbi on Sep 29, 2008
Note how global warming 'skeptic' Tom Harris, Canadian lobbyist and Executive Director of the "International Climate Science Coalition", defines "information sharing" and "coordinated local activism".
This is a section of a speech he delivered at the "2008 International Conference on Climate Change" in March, organized by the Heartland Institute, a free-market think-tank. The video is from the Heartland Institute; I added the subtitles and commentary.
A (rather quick) analysis of this speech segment by yours truly:
http://frankbi.wordpress.com/2008/08/08/the-way-of-the-astroturf/
More about the "International Climate Science Coalition":
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=International_Climate_Science_Coalition
More about Tom Harris:
http://sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Tom_Harris_%28Canadian_engineer/PR_spe...
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That Alex Jones has been implicated as one of the spewers of paranoia that drove one of those right-wing shooters.
SaganAppreciationSoc 2 years ago
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I don't "believe" or not "believe". I asked you to *give*me*an*example* of an NGO who got an article published in the media, and then went around to get their supporters to phone in to the news outlet saying "Congratulations for publishing the article!"
You didn't.
If this astroturfing is 'common practice' as you claim, then why can't you come up with even *one*example*?
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So again, your current excuse for astroturfing is that 'some imaginary environmentalist NGO did it, so it's OK.'
frankbi 3 years ago
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Do you honestly believe that ENGOs get pieces published in media and then DON'T ask their campaigners "to phone in to the news outlet saying "Congratulations for publishing the article!"? and other moves like this? It is straight out of standard PR for any activists campaign.
TomHarrisICSC 3 years ago
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Ah, so it's come to this! It's always the "Clinton did it! Clinton did it! Clinton did it!" excuse.
Perhaps you can give me an example of an NGO who got an article published in the media, and then went around to get their supporters to phone in to the news outlet saying "Congratulations for publishing the article!"
So your excuse for astroturfing is that "some imaginary environmentalist NGO did it, so it's OK."
frankbi 3 years ago
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so, would you ban all environmental and other NGOs then? They do the same thing as I am advocating we do (although some ENGOs also take part in civil disobedience and violating people's right to personal freedom of expression, something we would never condone). You certainly sound opposed to free speech. I don't care what labels are attached to what we do - "astroturfing" is cute but it is really just activism with other people who share out ideas and do what they do on because they want to.
TomHarrisICSC 3 years ago
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Thank you for admitting that "information sharing" and "coordinated local activism" are indeed not methods of science, but methods of PR.
But what you forgot to mention is that "coordinated local activism" is _astroturfing_.
You're not satisfied with simply letting the free market of ideas do its work? Your ICSC has to enlist a bunch of people to make phone calls and write letters to praise articles -- articles which the ICSC pushed to publish in the first place?
This is _astroturfing_.
frankbi 3 years ago
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"Information sharing", "coordinated local activism", etc. is not to produce "more rigorous science".It is PR and media relations designed to promote the tax-payer funded "more rigorous science" that is already there. Since MSM ignore major scientific research that throws doubt on climate dogma, all that would change if groups like ours didn't exist is that tax-payers would hear less about the work of skeptical scientists-is that good? Hiding tax-payer research from tax-payers?
TomHarrisICSC 3 years ago
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(Tom Harris, yes, I did see your totally bogus "Climate Scientists' Register". And not only is it bogus, but it doesn't excuse in any way the astroturfing behaviour which you advocate in this video clip.)
-- frank
frankbi 7 months ago
Heartland Institute is a way out there.
SaganAppreciationSoc 2 years ago
I'll agree with that. With the outright "Osamabamarama!" stuff in this year's climate change 'conference'(*), it's clear that Hearttland is now officially a wingnut shop.
Tom Harris's ICSC isn't exactly wingnut (yet), but it's still nut, as in Alex Jones nut.
(*) in case it gets too confusing: the above video was from last year
frankbi 2 years ago