On Baudrillard Simulacra & Simulation

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[jhonnymock]

so the question now becomes, Is my existence purely subjective and everyone is but a figment,ready to be molded by my perception into my self created reality?or do we all exist subjectively together,creating a common reality as one for all ?

[globalbeehive]

@jhonnymock: No, the message is that your reality is created for you by other men, for the purpose of control over you by these men. The conclusion is to create your own realities while disintermediating all of the techniques that other men use in order to distance you from those realities, such as TV, Radio, "education", "culture", advertising, internet, etc.

[jhonnymock]

@globalbeehive then by this logic we are doomed....for those who create my reality are those who have no clue what it truly is . singing their ignorance in unison making it impossible for one to be heard among the masses;  '' the earth is round''..I shout ,but I am met with fear and hate are at my every turn, disgusted faces.

[globalbeehive]

@jhonnymock: We are doomed if we continue to let people, who we do not know and trust, create our realities for us. When we allow this, any reality is possible, especially when those creating that reality have no moral code. The key is to control our reality, and to only allow those that we know and trust create our reality for us. Hence, why do we allow corporate video games, TV, News, Internet, public "education", corporate published books, etc. into our lives and into our view of reality?

[jhonnymock]

@globalbeehive how could the masses choose if they don't understand the circumstances. For generations the hypnotic mechanism has been modified and updated , double coating the masses with madness till you cant distinguish between your own free will and illusion. They have infiltrated all of our information making the act of deciding obsolete. How do we keep the fire of revolution young without feeding it the blood of the old.

[globalbeehive]

@jhonnymock ; Your point is an excellent one... "how can the masses choose if they don't understand the circumstances". I agree with this point completely, as it accurate describes our present day condition.

However, I do not understand your last sentence: "How do we keep the fire of revolution young without feeding it the blood of the old?" Please expand on this for me.

[Tosh220]

I love that book : ]

U have to think about it while you read it.

[lee0122333]

@AnaLimaLuiza i think capitalism IS going to have to end though. its amazing "we agree" to a system (capitalism) where technology which is INTENTIONALLY obsolete, and a system which promotes consumption of a FINITE number of resources.

[LifePsyop]

I think our news media has been using computer generated imagery to simulate events for quite awhile. Just that this capability exists should make people overly skeptical of what they're seeing.

My thoughts exactly on "Watergate", we are given these 'movies' or 'myths' that are supposed to describe how reality works, but it is all pageantry. 9/11 is a movie. Many of the "victims" appear to simulations.

Conspiracy Culture in general is just another layer of the movie. The world is a stage.

[AnaLimaLuiza]

No need of Baudrillard to such a simple concept and ideas.

End of the world is not end of capitalism. It is about making people not having a future. No future no need of concern.

"9/11 is impossible to capture as it really is."

Go for it man! It is a black and white event.

[selvmordspilot]

good interpretation

[jhonnymock]

@globalbeehive

what i meant was,in human history,the biggest changes on this planet (positive or negative) have been obtained at the tip of a sword or iron fist, so my conclusion is a simple one, which caused more" change"or which was more effective,(pos.or neg.) martin luther king's speech?or martin luther king's assassination? some might be tempted to say his speech but my choice would be his assassination, His speech was undoubtedly significant to social change, but not as much as his loss?

[19481205]

My english is very poor., I'm sorry. For me, Boudrillard ideas are correct, but, I feel not confortable when the exemples used are focused in captalism and in the present only. In my waek opinion, the humanity existence are in the same pattern since the time of life en caves: religion, myths, gods always provided scenaries, mental structures, simulacres. Lets open our minds and try to understand the humanity and not using ideas to defend political positions. Simulacre's idea culd be a simlacre?

[tonyfalca]

@jhonnymock

I feel as if, without a doubt, each and everyone of us are subjected to the influence of one another, while at the same time, the whole is subjected to the overwhelming influence of the simulation in most cases.

[tonyfalca]

"Just look at us. Everything is backwards, everything is upside down. Doctors destroy health, lawyers destroy justice, psychiatrists destroy minds, scientists destroy truth, major media destroys information, religions destroy spirituality and governments destroy freedom."

— Michael Ellner

[MsPennyDrop]

Very nice ..... thank you :)