AA Front Groups - The Sordid Truth

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[OneDarkFlame1]

Great information, and the most beautiful song ever written.

5 stars.

[godlessweasel]

I used Jake Burns' version on my first vid - I love it.

I know it's about WW1 but to me it's simply an anthem to the fallen.

[maklininak]

what I think would be interesting is to find out how many people have gotten sober with 12 step treatment and how many have gotten sober without it. I know that it would be virtually impossible to get these numbers, but it would be interesting.

[godlessweasel]

Baldwin Research Institute has done some fantastic research on the subject. There's is a religious program but it makes extremely interesting reading.

[dmdum]

It is a rough world out there to live in.

NA told me I had to watch my every word and every move so as to not act selfishly or step on the rights of others. THAT is what I call selfish, constantly looking at your actions and talking and writing about yourself all the time. I was never like this. I never considered the petty, unimportant, irrelevant issues which now started to cloud my thinking and behavior so as I would be a good, righteous person.

NO, this has to stop. I want to LIVE.

[BlatzBeer]

@TheManolakis Did you *really* learn how to get sober due to AA, or did you figure it out basically on your own, and now you credit AA because you feel it's somehow "egotistical" to take credit for using your own willpower and mind to overcome self-defeating behavior? Seriously, be honest with yourself. No disease theory...mixed success while in group...no "luck" with a sponsor? I don't know what program you're working, and I'm glad it's worked for you, but AA it ain't. :)

[SIM2402]

The part at 1:28 made me crack up!!!

[dimefeet]

@Commonsense11111 I agree with both of your comments.

[TheManolakis]

thank goodness everything is black or white. i have a long history with aa/na with mixed success. i acknowledge aa doesn't work for everyone, i personally do not subscribe to the disease theory and never had luck with a sponsor. BUT, i also learned how to get sober, made some good friends and owe my current sobriety to aa even though i don't attend meetings nor do i miss them.Lets not throw the baby out w/the bath water. You sound bitter and a little delusional,good luck.

[Commonsense11111]

awesome song

[Commonsense11111]

I had a sponsor. we decided to get out of AA together after we saw all of the abuse and suicides.one person was picked on horribly, and after he killed himself the all sat around saying that they were too soft on him and that is why he died. they said that they need to be tougher on people. 12 steppers are a sick, sorry lot.

[NagualElias]

when I was 15 I went to AA. I came from a troubled home and a few men offered me to sleep at their place. I was almost molested by two different men and was stalked by another. Every time I mentioned this people turned a blind eye, except for another young man who ran into similar problems when he first joined.

[breda83]

@dix345  amen to that

[breda83]

@dmdum great that you saw through the bullshit

[dix345]

a substantial number of people in aa are mentally ill; undiagnosed and untreated.