Answers to Responses on my Question to the NO on Prop8 peeps

At least a partial response to chalkers and PurpleNovaX.

PLEASE NOTE THE LOW SOUND QUALITY IS NOT AN ISSUE I CAN REMEDY IN MY PRESENT SITUATION---SORRY, PLEASE REALIZE THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO WATCH THIS YOU MAY NEED TO TURN THE VOLUME UP AND PUT UP WITH HARD TO UNDERSTAND FAST RAMBLING ANSWERS.

I quickly tried to get in concise and to the point responses with the time I had. If anyone wants clarifications feel free to post them. If I missed a point you feel is vital or if you want more detail just ask. This was done with me forcing some kind of a time restraint on myself so that my life isn't completely destroyed by simply trying to substantively participate in conversation a week before election day while still doing other 'to-dos' in my life.

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[Edlin1986]

If you are not enforcing and ideal on the 50 percent of couples that divorce, why are you making everyone believe in your ideals? People should have the right to choose.

It was "ideal" for whites to marry whites, blacks to marry blacks (and by the way, many people still believe that) however, the law does NOT keep people from choosing who they can marry? Why apply that to gays also? Marriage IS about two people who care about each other. You are not FORCED to marry just ANY woman. Are you?

[HiveRadical]

Edlin, again a society need not mandate and ideal to have it as an ideal. And I'm not making everyone believe in my ideals, but since in over 30 states in the union have a majority who believe it is ideal they place it as something to be fostered, not mandated. If you can convince a majority then your ideal, whatever it might be, can be set in a condition to be fostered.

[aigelkott]

I watched this video and read the responses you got and at first I thought you actually had some logical points and ppl have different opinions and so on.

Although I don't agree with you, but my thing is, we are humans and humans are 99% the same and if there shouldn't be equal rights for all humans because of 1% differences, then where is the humanity? why should some be seen as less than human? Where is the love?

[HiveRadical]

%&^ is present in the dynamics between the genders.

Feedback loops and the constant interplay of the dynamics of any relationship PROFOUNDLY effect the interface with any children involved.

You also seem to miss out on the fact that variation is not so much an issue of percentages as it is to the relative nature of two or more items.

[universalJok3r]

What you are essentially arguing here is the superiority of the nuclear family towards other family systems.

plenty of single parent families produce equally stable children too.

even if a child is raised in an environment with only one parent, nothing stops them from finding role models outside the immediate home.

It is not just the parents who raise a child, It is the entire community in which they live.

these cannot be separated.

[plankboi]

arguing with this guy is not worth your time anyone, i dont know why ya'll bothered. hes got a reason or answer to everything you have to say. its just a big unending circle of useless dialogue. unless maybe arguing is what you need to make you happy.

[ffejpsycho]

Because the constitution has protections set in place precisely to protect the rights of the few against the whims of the majority

[universalJok3r]

Ideal does not exist, It is a concept invented by Man to try and compare the world they have to the world they want.

Hardship is nessicery to all life, without hardship there can be no learning or spiritual growth.

You cannot understand the power of fire until you have been burnt...

[HiveRadical]

The fact that plenty of single parent families produce equally stable children is irrelevant. 'plenty' of children from abusive homes grow up to be as equally stable as children from other homes. The fact that a significant number of humans can endure and overcome a condition does not make it ideal or equivocal.

Look at the raw numbers and you'll see that your 'plenty' is not 'equal.'

[universalJok3r]

everything has its purpose.

procreation may create a new organism, but there are other ways to ensure the continuation of a social species. adoption or anothers child sees essentially the same end as producing one yourself. It happens quite often in nature as well.

It sees the continuation of a new generation within the species.

In an evolution scenario, there are no set rules. various forms appear, they encounter their environment, the best suited survive.

[HiveRadical]

I'm not advocating ANYONE be seen as less than human. What I'm talking about is the relative value of relationships to society and to the continuation of humanity (not merely reproducing humans, but all the transmission of what makes humanity humanity).

And your point on the percentage is a moot point. If you look at the differences in atmospheric gasses and the percentages of global climate change you'd take pause, UNLESS you knew about the concept of a feed back loop. Now such %&^